William Davis' paper in Dialogue evaluates Skousen and Carmack's Early Modern English model

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Re: William Davis' paper in Dialogue evaluates Skousen and Carmack's Early Modern English model

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:13 pm
Someone made a lot of money off this silly project. Tom or Dr. Scratch posted the financials a few years ago that showed Skousen received almost $300,000.00 for one year's work on the project. That's insane.
Especially if Marcus remembers correctly and they retracted 70% of what they claimed initially.
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Re: William Davis' paper in Dialogue evaluates Skousen and Carmack's Early Modern English model

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:13 pm
Someone made a lot of money off this silly project. Tom or Dr. Scratch posted the financials a few years ago that showed Skousen received almost $300,000.00 for one year's work on the project. That's insane.
It was actually about $329,000 over six years.

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Re: William Davis' paper in Dialogue evaluates Skousen and Carmack's Early Modern English model

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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 11:05 pm
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:13 pm
Someone made a lot of money off this silly project. Tom or Dr. Scratch posted the financials a few years ago that showed Skousen received almost $300,000.00 for one year's work on the project. That's insane.
Especially if Marcus remembers correctly and they retracted 70% of what they claimed initially.
I was close!! In Feb 2021:
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..but just as a reminder, based on the recent retractions published by the Interpreter, here is the count as it currently stands:

Section 1, Archaic Vocabulary: 26 proposed as archaic [out of 41 originally proposed, 37% have been retracted]

Section 3, Archaic Phrases: 14 proposed as archaic [out of 29 originally proposed, 52% have been retracted]

Section 4, Archaic Grammar: 2 proposed as archaic[out of 15 originally proposed, 87% have been retracted]

Section 7, Archaic Expressions: 7 proposed as archaic [out of 37 originally proposed, 81% have been retracted]

For an average retraction of 60% of previously published results, most or all included in the sales of hardcover, expensive publications.
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Re: William Davis' paper in Dialogue evaluates Skousen and Carmack's Early Modern English model

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It’s funny how DCP is completely silent on hard hitting criticisms like this.

But the second after Noel posts a comment on SeN he stops everything he is doing to address it.
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Re: William Davis' paper in Dialogue evaluates Skousen and Carmack's Early Modern English model

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It’s funny how DCP is completely silent on hard hitting criticisms like this.

But the second after Noel posts a comment on SeN he stops everything he is doing to address it.
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Re: William Davis' paper in Dialogue evaluates Skousen and Carmack's Early Modern English model

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Marcus wrote:
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Wed Jul 02, 2025 5:28 pm
Does anyone know where their project is up to at the moment? Is Interpreter still throwing money at Skousen for this?
I thought they wrapped it up, or at least Skousen announced he was done.

I'm still curious about that $100+ hardcopy that Tom bought, which he then found was superceded by Skousen retracting around 70% of their 'Early Modern English' findings. Was there an addendum issued? Were the bound hard copies replaced?
I haven’t seen an addendum or revised versions. I haven’t received a refund either.

From a more innocent time: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15&p=107#p107

I am still waiting to see part 8 of volume 3, which should clear up all the faulty information that Doctors Skousen and Carmack unleashed on an unsuspecting Latter-day Saint audience. I’ve been waiting for more than four years. (I understand that their 2020 re-analysis of archaic words, expressions, etc., was revised in 2023, so we may see additional retractions.)

I would note that the offending volumes continue to be sold on the BYU Studies website, without any acknowledgment of the errors. https://byustudies.BYU.edu/product/book ... -of-Mormon
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