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Marcus wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:41 am
Marcus wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:37 am
Yes.
That's my understanding as well.
Although to be fair, many groups consider Mormonism a cult.
That's an understatement. It's hard to find a group that doesn't consider Mormonism a cult.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:54 am
Marcus wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:41 am

Although to be fair, many groups consider Mormonism a cult.
That's an understatement. It's hard to find a group that doesn't consider Mormonism a cult.
You need to watch Hello Saints and get with the program, dude.

You're so eighties. :lol:

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B.H. Roberts on the worst religious text:

Jaredite barges had neither sails nor means of steering, but evidently were to wallow their way through the sea, sometimes submerged and sometimes atop of the sea….Do we have here a great historical document, or only a wonder tale, told by an undeveloped mind, living in a period and in an environment where the miraculous in ‘history’ is accepted without limitations and is supposed to account for all inconsistencies and lapses that challenge human credulity in the thought and in the easy philosophy that all things are possible with God?” (pg 355-358)
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:10 am
B.H. Roberts on the worst religious text:

Jaredite barges had neither sails nor means of steering, but evidently were to wallow their way through the sea, sometimes submerged and sometimes atop of the sea….Do we have here a great historical document, or only a wonder tale, told by an undeveloped mind, living in a period and in an environment where the miraculous in ‘history’ is accepted without limitations and is supposed to account for all inconsistencies and lapses that challenge human credulity in the thought and in the easy philosophy that all things are possible with God?” (pg 355-358)
Definitely a space for faith or skepticism.

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B.H. Roberts on the worst religious text:

There were other Anti-Christs among the Nephites, but they were more military leaders than religious innovators … they are all of one breed and brand; so nearly alike that one mind is the author of them, and that a young and undeveloped, but piously inclined mind. The evidence I sorrowfully submit, points to Joseph Smith as their creator. It is difficult to believe that they are the product of history, that they come upon the scene separated by long periods of time, and among a race which was the ancestral race of the red man of America.” (pg 271)
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:24 am
B.H. Roberts on the worst religious text:

There were other Anti-Christs among the Nephites, but they were more military leaders than religious innovators … they are all of one breed and brand; so nearly alike that one mind is the author of them, and that a young and undeveloped, but piously inclined mind. The evidence I sorrowfully submit, points to Joseph Smith as their creator. It is difficult to believe that they are the product of history, that they come upon the scene separated by long periods of time, and among a race which was the ancestral race of the red man of America.” (pg 271)
Does the Bible contain reoccuring types of adversaries? Would you expect that there might be reoccurring kinds of challenges? Heresies? Religious demagogues? What were the important differences between the Anti-Christs? Are there parallels between Book of Mormon narratives and Near Eastern and Meso American traditions?

Questions worth asking and exploring. Are you up to it?

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B.H. Roberts on the worst religious text ever:

In the first place there is a certain lack of perspective in the things the book relates as history that points quite clearly to an underdeveloped mind as their origin. The narrative proceeds in characteristic disregard of conditions necessary to its reasonableness, as if it were a tale told by a child, with utter disregard for consistency.” (Studies of the Book of Mormon, pg 251)
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:46 am
B.H. Roberts on the worst religious text ever:

In the first place there is a certain lack of perspective in the things the book relates as history that points quite clearly to an underdeveloped mind as their origin. The narrative proceeds in characteristic disregard of conditions necessary to its reasonableness, as if it were a tale told by a child, with utter disregard for consistency.” (Studies of the Book of Mormon, pg 251)
Keep it up!

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B.H. Roberts again on the worst religious text ever:


“If from all that has gone before in Part 1, the view be taken that the Book of Mormon is merely of human origin... if it be assumed that he is the author of it, then it could be said there is much internal evidence in the book itself to sustain such a view.
“In the first place there is a certain lack of perspective in the things the book relates as history that points quite clearly to an underdeveloped mind as their origin. The narrative proceeds in characteristic disregard of conditions necessary to its reasonableness, as if it were a tale told by a child, with utter disregard for consistency.”

- Studies of the Book of Mormon, by B.H. Roberts, p. 251
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:45 am
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:24 am
B.H. Roberts on the worst religious text:

There were other Anti-Christs among the Nephites, but they were more military leaders than religious innovators … they are all of one breed and brand; so nearly alike that one mind is the author of them, and that a young and undeveloped, but piously inclined mind. The evidence I sorrowfully submit, points to Joseph Smith as their creator. It is difficult to believe that they are the product of history, that they come upon the scene separated by long periods of time, and among a race which was the ancestral race of the red man of America.” (pg 271)
Does the Bible contain reoccuring types of adversaries? Would you expect that there might be reoccurring kinds of challenges? Heresies? Religious demagogues? What were the important differences between the Anti-Christs? Are there parallels between Book of Mormon narratives and Near Eastern and Meso American traditions?

Questions worth asking and exploring. Are you up to it?

Regards,
MH
This adversaries can be shown to historically exist.
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