Lack of DNA and archeological evidence did not influence the creation of the limited geography theory

[drumdude]

How do we distinguish between an indefensible position and one that is being stifled by moderators and/or members? Every single truth claim made by the Mormon church favors the critic. I can see how exhausting that would be as a believer. Eta spelling

DCP brought up the historicity of the Book of Mormon the other day. That theory is a conspiracy theory. It’s no different than thinking vaccines cause autism, or masks don’t stop germs from spreading, or witches float.

The Nephites are a fictional people. And Dan promotes believing in them. It’s his own pet conspiracy theory.

[MG 2.0]

Consider the alternative of asking yourself whether the positions taken by you may not simply be false. After all, many of the posters who argue against you are people who left the LDS church because, after considerable mental struggle, they concluded that its teachings were simply not true. That option is open to you.

Been there, done that. And here I am.

Whether or not folks have left the church doesn't make it any less true.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

The troll trolls.

[Rivendale]

How do we distinguish between an indefensible position and one that is being stifled by moderators and/or members? Every single truth claim made by the Mormon church favors the critic. I can see how exhausting that would be as a believer. Eta spelling

DCP brought up the historicity of the Book of Mormon the other day. That theory is a conspiracy theory. It’s no different than thinking vaccines cause autism, or masks don’t stop germs from spreading, or witches float.

The Nephites are a fictional people. And Dan promotes believing in them. It’s his own pet conspiracy theory.

I would respect a response from Dan and other apologists if they said something like this. I agree the evidence is scant and tenuous but I take it on faith. Instead we get parallelisms, character attacks, testimony worship, ancestor worship, and a host of other excuses.

[MG 2.0]

The troll trolls.

You are trolling me. Not five minutes and you're right behind me.

That's kind of weird, Marcus. Kind of weird. And that's being kind. Stalking might be a better description.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

DCP brought up the historicity of the Book of Mormon the other day. That theory is a conspiracy theory. It’s no different than thinking vaccines cause autism, or masks don’t stop germs from spreading, or witches float.

The Nephites are a fictional people. And Dan promotes believing in them. It’s his own pet conspiracy theory.

I would respect a response from Dan and other apologists if they said something like this. I agree the evidence is scant and tenuous but I take it on faith. Instead we get parallelisms, character attacks, testimony worship, ancestor worship, and a host of other excuses.

Many have said the same, including Prof. Jenkins during his debate with Prof. Hamblin. The apologists don't seem to realize that that is where the discussion is. There are no 'facts' supporting the historicity of the book.

[I Have Questions]

I would respect a response from Dan and other apologists if they said something like this. I agree the evidence is scant and tenuous but I take it on faith. Instead we get parallelisms, character attacks, testimony worship, ancestor worship, and a host of other excuses.

Many have said the same, including Prof. Jenkins during his debate with Prof. Hamblin. The apologists don't seem to realize that that is where the discussion is. There are no 'facts' supporting the historicity of the book.

But there are facts that undermine the claim that it was written and completed in the 1st Century. The plagiarised parts of the KJV Bible that are in it were not written until the 17th Century. Once you acknowledge that some of it is of modern production, the door opens to seeing that all of it could very easily be modern. In fact, it is more likely to be modern. Whereas not all of it can be ancient. It is very telling that the Church refuses to acknowledge the KJV Bible content in the Book of Mormon even though it is irrefutable. That’s rather telling. Just like DNA Studies have reduced and reduced who the Book of Mormon might have been about, in an ever decreasing circle that’s vanished into an ambiguous claim which amounts now to “some of the native Americans, somewhere in the North or the South of America, might be descendants of some of the people mentioned in The Book of Mormon”. By that token the claim that “Some American Indians somewhere in America are descendants of ancient Thetans.” It’s equally plausible, and has an equal amount of evidence for it.

[Shulem]

Whether or not folks have left the church doesn't make it any less true.

That is correct.

And, just because people flee the cult doesn't make it any more true.

MG, show us by the power of God and take your finger and place it on the very spot in which Nephites fled across the narrow neck into the land northward.

SHOW US THAT SPOT OF LAND!

I've not asked you the king's name in the writing of Facsimile No. 3.
I've not asked you why Smith hacked out Anubis's snout.

But show us the GODDAMN narrow neck on a map or globe and let's see if it matches the text of the Book of Mormon. No need to bring in Brandt Gardner as a witness. His brain is soaked and he's incapable of thinking straight. And Peterson is a conniving liar who fears the narrow neck.

[Shulem]

Consider the alternative of asking yourself whether the positions taken by you may not simply be false. After all, many of the posters who argue against you are people who left the LDS church because, after considerable mental struggle, they concluded that its teachings were simply not true. That option is open to you.

Been there, done that. And here I am.

I too have been there, done that. And here I am.

Dirty Harry said, "A man's got to know his limitations."

So, how far will you travel outside the bounds of what you know is not true?

[Shulem]

The troll trolls.

You are trolling me. Not five minutes and you're right behind me.

That's kind of weird, Marcus. Kind of weird. And that's being kind. Stalking might be a better description.

Regards,
MG

Which is exactly what you want and crave -- the attention! You want Marcus to keep coming back because you enjoy playing your little game.

Anyone with half a brain can see what you are up to!