The Trolley Problem--Nemo the Mormon is back

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The Trolley Problem--Nemo the Mormon is back

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Ahh, God commanding the slaying of Laban--a moral inquiry. Just 6 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypNK2qZx5vI
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Interesting video.

In Joseph Smith's original draft of the Book of Mormon, Nephi was actually caught in the barn committing adultery with Laban's 14 year old daughter, but Oliver Cowdery felt that was too racy and sensational of a plotline, so they decided to go with the theft and murder.

Also, if Nephi was commanded to kill Laban because it was better for one man to perish than an entire nation dwindle and perish in unbelief, why didn't God command Nephi to kill Laman and Lemuel? The whole killing Laban thing has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
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Mormon morality - murdering the defenseless and committing adultery since 1828.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:44 pm
Interesting video.

In Joseph Smith's original draft of the Book of Mormon, Nephi was actually caught in the barn committing adultery with Laban's 14 year old daughter, but Oliver Cowdery felt that was too racy and sensational of a plotline, so they decided to go with the theft and murder.

Also, if Nephi was commanded to kill Laban because it was better for one man to perish than an entire nation dwindle and perish in unbelief, why didn't God command Nephi to kill Laman and Lemuel? The whole killing Laban thing has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
I think it was B.H. Roberts in one of your quotes who pointed out how childish these story lines are.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:44 pm
In Joseph Smith's original draft of the Book of Mormon, Nephi was actually caught in the barn committing adultery with Laban's 14 year old daughter, but Oliver Cowdery felt that was too racy and sensational of a plotline, so they decided to go with the theft and murder.
Could you link to your source?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Jul 21, 2025 3:10 am
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:44 pm
In Joseph Smith's original draft of the Book of Mormon, Nephi was actually caught in the barn committing adultery with Laban's 14 year old daughter, but Oliver Cowdery felt that was too racy and sensational of a plotline, so they decided to go with the theft and murder.
Could you link to your source?

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I believe the joke here is that Joseph Smith is the author of the Book of Mormon, and Smith liked to include elements of his own life into the stories. The joke being that he included the affair with 14 year old Fanny Alger.

And before you say that joke is distasteful, think about how distasteful Smith’s actions themselves were…
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drumdude wrote:
Mon Jul 21, 2025 4:59 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Jul 21, 2025 3:10 am
Could you link to your source?

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I believe the joke here is that Joseph Smith is the author of the Book of Mormon, and Smith liked to include elements of his own life into the stories. The joke being that he included the affair with 14 year old Fanny Alger.

And before you say that joke is distasteful, think about how distasteful Smith’s actions themselves were…
As with most stories from church history this one has more to it. I would simply suggest that folks do additional research in this regard. I did years ago, and I'm comfortable with all of the 'moving parts'. If you're going to call the whole thing a dirty and nasty affair you are then obligated to support that accusations from multiple sources.

That takes work.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Jul 21, 2025 4:44 pm
drumdude wrote:
Mon Jul 21, 2025 4:59 am
I believe the joke here is that Joseph Smith is the author of the Book of Mormon, and Smith liked to include elements of his own life into the stories. The joke being that he included the affair with 14 year old Fanny Alger.

And before you say that joke is distasteful, think about how distasteful Smith’s actions themselves were…
As with most stories from church history this one has more to it. I would simply suggest that folks do additional research in this regard. I did years ago, and I'm comfortable with all of the 'moving parts'. If you're going to call the whole thing a dirty and nasty affair you are then obligated to support that accusations from multiple sources.

That takes work.

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MG
You’re welcome to dismiss Oliver Cowdery’s letter to his brother, of course. I tend to believe him. He is after all one of the 3 witnesses.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Jul 21, 2025 4:44 pm
drumdude wrote:
Mon Jul 21, 2025 4:59 am
I believe the joke here is that Joseph Smith is the author of the Book of Mormon, and Smith liked to include elements of his own life into the stories. The joke being that he included the affair with 14 year old Fanny Alger.

And before you say that joke is distasteful, think about how distasteful Smith’s actions themselves were…
As with most stories from church history this one has more to it. I would simply suggest that folks do additional research in this regard. I did years ago, and I'm comfortable with all of the 'moving parts'. If you're going to call the whole thing a dirty and nasty affair you are then obligated to support that accusations from multiple sources.

That takes work.

Regards,
MG
I have no doubt that you are comfortable with Mormon God having a pedophile for a chosen vessel for restoring truth. Mormon history is a steaming pile of horse crap for the current members to sniff and proclaim to be wholesome and delightful. Now, do what they tell ya.
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drumdude wrote:
Mon Jul 21, 2025 4:54 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Jul 21, 2025 4:44 pm
As with most stories from church history this one has more to it. I would simply suggest that folks do additional research in this regard. I did years ago, and I'm comfortable with all of the 'moving parts'. If you're going to call the whole thing a dirty and nasty affair you are then obligated to support that accusations from multiple sources.

That takes work.

Regards,
MG
You’re welcome to dismiss Oliver Cowdery’s letter to his brother, of course. I tend to believe him. He is after all one of the 3 witnesses.
More to it than that. Oliver and Emma were not willing to accept that Joseph had taken Fanny as a plural wife and/or that she had been sealed to him. There are no first hand witnesses and Fanny's family members followed the saints out to Utah. There are other 'moving parts' in there also.

Cowdery later came back into the church.

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MG
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