The Trolley Problem--Nemo the Mormon is back

[Morley]

Also, why marry women that were already married and they continued to live with their husband?

Because no man ever had sex with a married woman who stayed with her husband.

[Morley]

I'll leave my comments 'on the table'. Something to consider.

I love seeing your comments there on the table. It's quite the place setting you've laid out.

[drumdude]

Also, why marry women that were already married and they continued to live with their husband?

Because no man ever had sex with a married woman who stayed with her husband.

The mental gymnastics involved to paint Smith as a harmless adulterer are quite extreme.

[MG 2.0]

I'll leave my comments 'on the table'. Something to consider.

I love seeing your comments there on the table. It's quite the place setting you've laid out.

[Marcus]

And for another dose of nonsense, well doused in misogynistic sexism, here's our troll:

I think this is a byproduct of Mormonism on the part of MG. Women are treated like expiration dates on Milk containers. Heber C Kimball mentioned missionaries taking all the pretty ones not leaving anything for the Bretheren. Why in the world would a secretive practice of polygamy continue well after Joseph's death if it weren't a group of deviants promoting it. It doesn't occur to MG that some people's sexual attraction to women are not restricted to an age group. This is straight from Brian Hales apologetic nonsense and that comment was from the pits of misogyny hell akin to spiritual autism.

Yes, I agree. Notice he has actually doubled down on the misogyny:

...Oh, by the way, how would you have rephrased what I said? Is there a better word for "pregnant'? Is there another way of saying that the women were not physically attractive? After all, I'm assuming that those that say Joseph's motivations for polygamy had to do with his desire to be women. Right?
If so, why pregnant women and those that were physically less attractive? ...

Here's where I am at a crossroads. Is MG really that much of a sexist that he is going to stand by his comments, or does he think he has found yet another way to disrupt and doesn't care what damage it does to his reputation? Will he use anything, walls of AI, single-spacing, slashes between multiple words, intellectual dishonesty, shameless accusations about and harassment of those who leave his church, even sexism and bigotry? Or is he really that unethical, bigoted and sexist, and dishonest? Does he speak to the women in his life this way? Did he tell his wife how unattractive she was when pregnant? Or as she got older? Well, Elder Bednar publicly said his wife was no longer beautiful now that she's older, so maybe the mentalgymnast really is just as he posts.

[MG 2.0]

I think this is a byproduct of Mormonism on the part of MG. Women are treated like expiration dates on Milk containers. Heber C Kimball mentioned missionaries taking all the pretty ones not leaving anything for the Bretheren. Why in the world would a secretive practice of polygamy continue well after Joseph's death if it weren't a group of deviants promoting it. It doesn't occur to MG that some people's sexual attraction to women are not restricted to an age group. This is straight from Brian Hales apologetic nonsense and that comment was from the pits of misogyny hell akin to spiritual autism.

Yes, I agree. Notice he has actually doubled down on the misogyny:

...Oh, by the way, how would you have rephrased what I said? Is there a better word for "pregnant'? Is there another way of saying that the women were not physically attractive? After all, I'm assuming that those that say Joseph's motivations for polygamy had to do with his desire to be women. Right?

If so, why pregnant women and those that were physically less attractive? ...

Here's where I am at a crossroads. Is MG really that much of a sexist that he is going to stand by his comments, or does he think he has found yet another way to disrupt and doesn't care what damage it does to his reputation? Will he use anything, walls of A.I., single-spacing, slashes between multiple words, intellectual dishonesty, shameless accusations about and harassment of those who leave his church, even sexism and bigotry? Or is he really that unethical, bigoted and sexist, and dishonest? Does he speak to the women in his life this way? Did he tell his wife how unattractive she was when pregnant? Or as she got older? Well, Elder Bednar publicly said his wife was no longer beautiful now that she's older, do maybe the mentalgymnast really is just as he posts.

You still fail to address the substance of what I'm saying. And no, there is no sexism going on here. Simply a distorted view produced by an overly conditioned mind.

Sexism round every corner I tell ya'. You won't address my post. You'll just skirt around it. (Oops I used the word 'skirt'...sexism!!)

Sheesh. My comments stand on their own merits. There have been some pretty shallow responses in my opinion. Polygamy is one of the most used tools in the critics' tool box. It can't go away, right?

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Or is he really that unethical, bigoted and sexist, and dishonest?

Of course he is. He’s on brand for ~1/3 of the Mormon men I’ve ever run across growing up in the cult. It’s probably higher now that I know how this country rolls.

- Doc

[Marcus]

...And no, there is no sexism going on here. Simply a distorted view produced by an overly conditioned mind.Sexism round every corner I tell ya'. You won't address my post. You'll just skirt around it.(Oops I used the word 'skirt'...sexism!!) Sheesh. My comments stand on their own merits...

You'd think when he finds himself in a hole flailing crap, he would stop. But, I think I will have to agree with Doc-- this is just how he is so I predict at least 3 more misogynistic rants before he remembers his cheeks.

[huckelberry]

MG likes to point out that critics focus upon sexual desire as the primary motivation for polygamy. There could be other things involved. Yes there likely was but MG does not explain because some other factors are not that comfortable so it is easier to wave arms and act smugly knowledgeable.

I think it is likely Joseph wanted to gather people around him connected deeply to himself. There was a net of marriages centered upon himself. There was a group of people willing to transgress social and personal principals to follow and accept Joseph. A core of people deeply committed by promise and sexual intercourse to Joseph's authority. He created a core of people who stayed together around himself.

The secret of LDS strength today is polygamy in the past.

Talking about how attractive ladies are judged in photos years later when they were older and lived years on the frontier is irrelevant and embarrassingly short sighted.

[malkie]

Were there not also cases in which Joseph gained financially? If I recall correctly at least one of his younger brides had a respectable inheritance that then became his.

For a poor man this could have been an additional attraction.