YouTuber Alyssa Grenfell Has Cost The Church 2.4 Million Dollars

[Marcus]

You are accusing Alyssa Grenfell of proselytising people away from their current religious attendance and therefore doing them a disservice. Whilst your Church sends out tens of thousands of young to spend every single day, full time, doing the exact same thing. You yourself did the exact same thing - trying to convince people to leave their existing belief system, to join another. So you are being highly hypocritical in criticising Alyssa. Blindly hypocritical. Is your problem more that she (a woman) is better at it than you were/are? Have you expressed to your leaders that the sending out of missionaries to convince people to forgo their existing belief system and covenants in favour of SLC LDS ones is doing a disservice? Or is this just yet another example of you treating as special, the belief system and operating practices within which you were born and raised, just because it’s the belief system you were born and raised in?

MG 2.0 is "like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." Matthew 23:23

Indeed.

[MG 2.0]

MG 2.0 is "like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." Matthew 23:23

Indeed.

Troll.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

You are accusing Alyssa Grenfell of proselytising people away from their current religious attendance and therefore doing them a disservice. Whilst your Church sends out tens of thousands of young to spend every single day, full time, doing the exact same thing. You yourself did the exact same thing - trying to convince people to leave their existing belief system, to join another. So you are being highly hypocritical in criticising Alyssa. Blindly hypocritical. Is your problem more that she (a woman) is better at it than you were/are? Have you expressed to your leaders that the sending out of missionaries to convince people to forgo their existing belief system and covenants in favour of SLC LDS ones is doing a disservice? Or is this just yet another example of you treating as special, the belief system and operating practices within which you were born and raised, just because it’s the belief system you were born and raised in?

MG 2.0 is "like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." Matthew 23:23

Indeed.

[MG 2.0]

MG 2.0 is "like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." Matthew 23:23

Indeed.

TTOC

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

You are accusing Alyssa Grenfell of proselytising people away from their current religious attendance and therefore doing them a disservice. Whilst your Church sends out tens of thousands of young to spend every single day, full time, doing the exact same thing. You yourself did the exact same thing - trying to convince people to leave their existing belief system, to join another. So you are being highly hypocritical in criticising Alyssa. Blindly hypocritical. Is your problem more that she (a woman) is better at it than you were/are? Have you expressed to your leaders that the sending out of missionaries to convince people to forgo their existing belief system and covenants in favour of SLC LDS ones is doing a disservice? Or is this just yet another example of you treating as special, the belief system and operating practices within which you were born and raised, just because it’s the belief system you were born and raised in?

MG 2.0 is "like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." Matthew 23:23

Hey sockpuppet, you made the comment about mg but i got the TTOC! Something tells me his trolling is just that--trolling. No rhyme, no reason. Just thoughtlessness, with tbe intent to disrupt.

[MG 2.0]

MG 2.0 is "like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." Matthew 23:23

Hey sockpuppet, you made the comment about mg but i got the TTOC! Something tells me his trolling is just that--trolling. No rhyme, no reason. Just thoughtlessness, with tbe intent to disrupt.

Responding to your “indeed”. Was that not clear?

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

You are accusing Alyssa Grenfell of proselytising people away from their current religious attendance and therefore doing them a disservice. Whilst your Church sends out tens of thousands of young to spend every single day, full time, doing the exact same thing. You yourself did the exact same thing - trying to convince people to leave their existing belief system, to join another. So you are being highly hypocritical in criticising Alyssa. Blindly hypocritical. Is your problem more that she (a woman) is better at it than you were/are? Have you expressed to your leaders that the sending out of missionaries to convince people to forgo their existing belief system and covenants in favour of SLC LDS ones is doing a disservice? Or is this just yet another example of you treating as special, the belief system and operating practices within which you were born and raised, just because it’s the belief system you were born and raised in?

MG 2.0 is "like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." Matthew 23:23

Hey sockpuppet, you made the comment about mg but i got the TTOC! Something tells me his trolling is just that--trolling. No rhyme, no reason. Just thoughtlessness, with tbe intent to disrupt.

[malkie]

I disagree with your second point. If you pay attention, you will see that the critics are far from uniform in their opinions. They may disagree with each other less often than they disagree with defenders - yourself included - but that's only natural, as the gap between defenders in general and critics in general is almost bound to be greater than the gap between individual critics. But I note the implication of unfairness in your comment and its tone.

I mean...and I think you knew it...that I meant that critics, such as Alyssa Grenfell, can do no wrong in the sense that for whatever reason they left the church it COULDN'T have been for the basic/human drive reasons that I stated earlier.

Regards,
MG

Not at all, MG, I knew no such thing - you said "the critics", which I took to mean "the critics". Your specific meaning in this case was far from clear, and I had no clue that that's what you meant until I read this comment from you.

You expect everyone to take "the defenders" at their word, yourself included, but it seems that you must disbelieve any critics - they cannot possibly be acting in good faith. It seems to be a characteristic of an organization like the Mormon church that critics must be demonized, that critics cannot possibly have good, genuine reasons for walking away, or disagreeing with doctrine/teachings.

It's a very fragile organization that cannot bear to be criticized.

[MG 2.0]

I mean...and I think you knew it...that I meant that critics, such as Alyssa Grenfell, can do no wrong in the sense that for whatever reason they left the church it COULDN'T have been for the basic/human drive reasons that I stated earlier.

Regards,
MG

Not at all, MG, I knew no such thing - you said "the critics", which I took to mean "the critics". Your specific meaning in this case was far from clear, and I had no clue that that's what you meant until I read this comment from you.

You expect everyone to take "the defenders" at their word, yourself included, but it seems that you must disbelieve any critics - they cannot possibly be acting in good faith. It seems to be a characteristic of an organization like the Mormon church that critics must be demonized, that critics cannot possibly have good, genuine reasons for walking away, or disagreeing with doctrine/teachings.

It's a very fragile organization that cannot bear to be criticized.

Again, a misrepresentation and/or misunderstanding on your part, malkie. I have known critics that are as honest as the day is long. Earlier upthread I gave some commentary in regards to what I see as the underlying foundation of what motivates SOME critics. To point towards the possibility that Alyssa may have had some other ‘stuff’ going on in her life and attitudes that might play a part in her personal apostasy seems to be an absolute unadulterated no no to even consider.

I’m saying that there are many critics that can’t have that…that an apostate can have done no wrong or made bad decisions along the way which may have had an influence in their decisions.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Something tells me his trolling is just that--trolling. No rhyme, no reason. Just thoughtlessness, with tbe intent to disrupt.

An evil spirit?

Regards,
MG