Senior free labour provider dies whilst mowing a church lawn

[canpakes]

Seems like the senior missionary couldn't cut it.

[Moksha]

Repeating what I said:

The fact that this service missionary has passed away in an accident is sad. Accidents happen all too often all over the world and in many and varied situations. Wouldn't it be awesome if God stepped in every time an accident was about to happen?

Or not.

Regards,
MG

Trump cancelled OSHA. Perhaps he would cancel God as well.

[I Have Questions]

This is a disgusting piece of justification from the mentalgymnast. This was not an "accident." It was an event that happened because of very bad practices on the part of the LDS church. It was entirely avoidable, and it is the fault of this cult masquerading as a religion.

Marcus, you are absolutely right. Calling this an "accident" is disgusting. "Accident" is the kind of word you use for a spilled drink, not a tragedy with a clear chain of institutional failures leading up to it. To frame it as an "accident" is an attempt to dodge accountability. I doubt this man had any training provided to him on how to operate such heavy machinery.

What happened wasn't a sad, isolated incident, but a failure that was entirely foreseeable and, therefore, entirely the responsibility of those in charge.

It would be interesting to know what training this person received, or what competence assessment he passed, prior to being given the keys to a ride-on mower on a hilly piece of ground. Ride on mowers are serious pieces of kit, they are especially dangerous on hilly ground in the hands of a novice. I’m also pretty sure that the Church’s lawyers will have crafted whatever documents he signed as part of his mission to protect this man’s family from pursuing any claims of negligence, etc. against the Church.

[Dr. Shades]

It’s worth noting that these senior service missionary “opportunities” come at a cost of upwards of $3,000 per month per couple. I’ve seen some “opportunities” listed that are $4/5,000 per month per couple.

I might be naïve, but I'm hoping against hope that the charge per month per couple is sort of like how 18 year old proselyting missionaries' finances work: Someone pays the $3,000 (or whatever) per month, then all the missionary's expenses are paid for by the mission home: Rent, travel, a certain stipend for food and other expenses, etc. In other words, the $3,000 covers everything.

Please don't let it be the case that the senior couple must pay all their own expenses--rent, food, travel, insurance, etc.--and that the $3,000 fee is just a tax for being there.

[I Have Questions]

It’s worth noting that these senior service missionary “opportunities” come at a cost of upwards of $3,000 per month per couple. I’ve seen some “opportunities” listed that are $4/5,000 per month per couple.

I might be naïve, but I'm hoping against hope that the charge per month per couple is sort of like how 18 year old proselyting missionaries' finances work: Someone pays the $3,000 (or whatever) per month, then all the missionary's expenses are paid for by the mission home: Rent, travel, a certain stipend for food and other expenses, etc. In other words, the $3,000 covers everything.

Please don't let it be the case that the senior couple must pay all their own expenses--rent, food, travel, insurance, etc.--and that the $3,000 fee is just a tax for being there.

I think the amount per month is an estimate of what it will cost for the couples living expenses. It could be higher. So it's not a tax. But…the couple will still be expected to pay their tithing from their retirement income first, and the cost of operating and maintaining the home they leave behind (assuming they serve “away”) is still theirs.

So income - tithing - tax - other offerings - cost of maintaining own home - cost of placement = disposable income. I’m of the opinion that the Church is favouring the rich once again, in that impoverished member simply won’t be able to afford to serve. Maybe that’s MG’s and DCP’s issue. It’s not a lack of faith, they simply don’t have the financial wherewithal.

[Dr. Shades]

I might be naïve, but I'm hoping against hope that the charge per month per couple is sort of like how 18 year old proselyting missionaries' finances work: Someone pays the $3,000 (or whatever) per month, then all the missionary's expenses are paid for by the mission home: Rent, travel, a certain stipend for food and other expenses, etc. In other words, the $3,000 covers everything.

Please don't let it be the case that the senior couple must pay all their own expenses--rent, food, travel, insurance, etc.--and that the $3,000 fee is just a tax for being there.

I think the amount per month is an estimate of what it will cost for the couples living expenses. It could be higher. So it's not a tax.

I sure hope you're right. Otherwise, senior missions would be a money-making enterprise for the church.

I’m of the opinion that the Church is favouring the rich once again, in that impoverished member simply won’t be able to afford to serve. Maybe that’s MG’s and DCP’s issue. It’s not a lack of faith, they simply don’t have the financial wherewithal.

I learned yesterday that the dearly departed was a retired high school shop teacher. So, generally speaking, any retirement greater than that equals having the financial wherewithal.

[Marcus]

I think the amount per month is an estimate of what it will cost for the couples living expenses. It could be higher. So it's not a tax.

I sure hope you're right. Otherwise, senior missions would be a money-making enterprise for the church.

It is. They advertise for people retired from very specific jobs and then use them in that specific job on a volunteer basis. Not for missionary work, but for jobs at a significant salary level.

[Kishkumen]

Bad things happen all the time. This guy died happy doing what he wanted to do. He probably had a wonderful life, and he will be missed by family, friends, co-religionists, and those whom he served in his life. I express my sincere condolences to those who loved him, and I find nothing wrong with him providing service of his own free will in the way he wanted to.

[MG 2.0]

Bad things happen all the time. This guy died happy doing what he wanted to do. He probably had a wonderful life, and he will be missed by family, friends, co-religionists, and those whom he served in his life. I express my sincere condolences to those who loved him, and I find nothing wrong with him providing service of his own free will in the way he wanted to.

I said basically the same thing earlier. My guess is you’ll get a ‘kudos’. But that’s OK. I feel the same way about this as you do. Kudos for repeating it.

Regards,
MG

[Kishkumen]

I said basically the same thing earlier. My guess is you’ll get a ‘kudos’. But that’s OK. I feel the same way about this as you do. Kudos for repeating it.

Regards,
MG

I dunno, MG. Either way, I will call it as I see it.