YouTuber Alyssa Grenfell Has Cost The Church 2.4 Million Dollars

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:23 pm
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Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:26 pm
One of the factors that led to Alyssa’s disillusionment was with bodily autonomy and her search for authenticity outside of the constraints of religion. As critics are wont to say, the LDS Church and its commandments/gospel teachings are “high demand”. Some of these expectations that the gospel of Jesus Christ might put on members may be beyond and/or not conform to the personal desires of what some call “bodily autonomy” and “authenticity”.
Bless your heart, Fibber MG. It's a real tragedy when you find out your body belongs to the Mormon church and you have to, like, make your own decisions. The struggle for authenticity and realizing you can choose your own outfits, underwear, and who you'd like to date, is real.
The transcript of her gender discrepancy issues is available to everyone here. https://www.youtube.com/live/nSu8cD_IMi ... O0sGfB2ndC timestamp 18:56.
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Rivendale wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:36 pm
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:23 pm
Bless your heart, Fibber MG. It's a real tragedy when you find out your body belongs to the Mormon church and you have to, like, make your own decisions. The struggle for authenticity and realizing you can choose your own outfits, underwear, and who you'd like to date, is real.
The transcript of her gender discrepancy issues is available to everyone here. https://www.youtube.com/live/nSu8cD_IMi ... O0sGfB2ndC timestamp 18:56.
Thanks. I’m very interested to hear MG explain himself on this one. He’s been pushing the body autonomy angle as the catalyst to her other problems with the Church, so I think he needs to expand just what his point is.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:23 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:26 pm
One of the factors that led to Alyssa’s disillusionment was with bodily autonomy and her search for authenticity outside of the constraints of religion. As critics are wont to say, the LDS Church and its commandments/gospel teachings are “high demand”. Some of these expectations that the gospel of Jesus Christ might put on members may be beyond and/or not conform to the personal desires of what some call “bodily autonomy” and “authenticity”.
Bless your heart, Fibber MG. It's a real tragedy when you find out your body belongs to the Mormon church and you have to, like, make your own decisions. The struggle for authenticity and realizing you can choose your own outfits, underwear, and who you'd like to date, is real.
I think you’ve accurately described the way some people think as they begin their path out of the church.

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A term of endearment.

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I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:43 pm
Rivendale wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:36 pm
The transcript of her gender discrepancy issues is available to everyone here. https://www.youtube.com/live/nSu8cD_IMi ... O0sGfB2ndC timestamp 18:56.
Thanks. I’m very interested to hear MG explain himself on this one. He’s been pushing the body autonomy angle as the catalyst to her other problems with the Church, so I think he needs to expand just what his point is.
What Wang said.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:51 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:43 pm
Thanks. I’m very interested to hear MG explain himself on this one. He’s been pushing the body autonomy angle as the catakyst to her other problems with the Church, so I think he needs to expand just what his point is.
What Wang said.

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I didn’t think you’d explain yourself. But I had to give you the chance to prove me wrong. Oh well. You haven’t even listened to the podcast you referenced. You skimmed the intro notes and that was as far as you got.
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Alyssa hits the Wall Street Journal. https://www.wsj.com/tech/ex-Mormon-tik ... _permalink

Good for her. I have been waiting for someone to break the John Dehlin stagnation and she might do it. Over 1 million views is 1/5 of the orthodox Mormons.
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I Have Questions wrote:
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:51 pm
What Wang said.

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I didn’t think you’d explain yourself. But I had to give you the chance to prove me wrong. Oh well. You haven’t even listened to the podcast you referenced. You skimmed the intro notes and that was as far as you got.
She did the podcast at Mormon Stories in two parts. I watched around two thirds of the first episode. I didn't read the show notes. You seem to want me to give acquiescence/deference to you, IHQ. "Prove me wrong," "Explain yourself," etc.

I don't owe you anything beyond the time of day. And I think there is a seven-hour difference. So that won't do you any good. Chill out dude.

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As MG would tell you, women who seek bodily autonomy are out of compliance with the key element of the Gospel, which is obedience to male Church Authorities.
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Moksha wrote:
Wed Sep 03, 2025 4:32 am
As MG would tell you, women who seek bodily autonomy are out of compliance with the key element of the Gospel, which is obedience to male Church Authorities.
I think there may be another way of looking at it. Women are, under the auspices of the concept of bodily autonomy, able to receive an elective abortion. The church frowns on the taking of life from an unborn child unless absolutely necessary. The church also frowns on fornication, sodomy, and adultery. One might say that these things fall under the category of bodily autonomy.

Now, what Alyssa is referring to, I can't say for sure. She may be referring to other choices a woman might make in regard to her body that might be a bit less of a concern from a religious perspective.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Sep 04, 2025 3:17 am
The church also frowns on fornication, sodomy, and adultery.
Unless an angel with a flaming sword is involved, of course.
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