Trump's War on the First Amendment

[Marcus]

These essays that Res Ipsa and Steuss write that are quite good receive barely any comment from Ceeboo. They get brief dismissals, which seem intended to leave the impression that the duck understands all of this and knows better, for reasons that are beneath him to expound upon. But I think this latest episode shows if there's a chance he can win, he jumps right in and submits a real answer. And this is a case, you know, what's going on today in right-wing media, something that doesn't require much effort.

By the same logic, canpakes, Xeno and Res can’t win against me. I accept your conditions.

In no universe do mods anywhere use the same logic as ceeboo.

[Whiskey]

By the same logic, canpakes, Xeno and Res can’t win against me. I accept your conditions.

In no universe do mods anywhere use the same logic as ceeboo.

Tell Gad. I accept his conditions.

[Res Ipsa]

I sent a note this morning to my drinking buddy that mentioned Tucker and Megyn, and I'll admit I just scraped that off the title of some rando video on my YouTube feed that I didn't even watch. I figured it would be good enough for a guy who spends as much time hunched over a lowball as I do.

Boy, did Ceeboo jump into action to refute it. With a link and quotes and a basic analysis. It's the most substance I've seen from Ceeboo in like, forever. He could very well be correct. I do note that the quote he provided from her is not exclusive to the claim I repeated, assuming that's what I really saw, although it certainly urges skepticism to the claim. Perhaps I'll look into it more. We'll see. I'm happy enough to yield the point.

Psychologically instructive though. These essays that Res Ipsa and Steuss write that are quite good receive barely any comment from Ceeboo. They get brief dismissals, which seem intended to leave the impression that the duck understands all of this and knows better, for reasons that are beneath him to expound upon. But I think this latest episode shows if there's a chance he can win, he jumps right in and submits a real answer. And this is a case, you know, what's going on today in right-wing media, something that doesn't require much effort.

Ceeboo reads my posts. Sometimes our discussion is not in public. It’s fine with me.

[Marcus]

In no universe do mods anywhere use the same logic as ceeboo.

Tell Gad. I accept his conditions.

I have no issue w Gad. My point was about Ceeboo and the discernibility of logic.

[Whiskey]

Tell Gad. I accept his conditions.

I have no issue w Gad. My point was about Ceeboo and the discernibility of logic.

Im accepting Gad’s conditional interpretation of the non-response response. Explains a lot, actually.

I don't agree with Gad or you about ceeboo. Just accepting those conditions.

[Marcus]

I have no issue w Gad. My point was about Ceeboo and the discernibility of logic.

Im accepting Gad’s conditional interpretation of the non-response response. Explains a lot, actually.

I don't agree with Gad or you about ceeboo. Just accepting those conditions.

Ok. I have no idea what end accepting conditions serves, but I say go for it, Binger.

[Some Schmo]

I think people who vote Republican have been lying to themselves for so long that they don't even realize they're full of crap. They're lies have become "their truth" (as idiotic as it is).

That's the only explanation I could potentially believe. How else to you explain the proudly-in-your-face-I-enjoy-being-an-annoying-idiot stupidity?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

" We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it."

What was I doing over that weekend?

Honestly, it was a really tough weekend - It impacted me MUCH more than I would have guessed. I had many private discussions with my bride and my son who still lives at home. I spent some time on the phone with my daughter who lives out of state. When I had the chance (and nobody was paying attention to me) I sat alone, and thought, and thought, and thought. I am still thinking, and I am still mourning. I thought about my personal religious beliefs a lot, I thought about Charlie's wife and his two young kids a lot. I thought about the mom and dad of the assassin. I thought about the various reactions I was reading about and seeing. I thought about sadness. I thought about social media a lot. I thought about America a lot. I thought about not thinking. I vividly remember trying to step away from it all and watch a Netflix movie with my wife. I don't remember what movie it was or what it was about because my mind was far from said TV.

I do not remember desperately trying to characterize a kid, nor do I remember doing anything I could to score political points.

Did you have the same kind of weekend when Vance Boelter stalked and murdered Minnesota House of Representatives Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman, then stalking and shooting Minnesota State Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette Hoffman, and then an attempted shooting of their daughter Hope Hoffman?

- Doc

[Hound of Heaven]

Using the word "desperately" to characterize MAGA's actions was not only incorrect, but also totally 100% irresponsible!

Since it isn't a fact, it doesn't qualify as evidence, and as you mentioned, it's merely his opinion, inserted midsentence to tarnish an entire group, that being MAGA. The use of "desperately" fails to accurately convey the situation, Kimmel is trying to dictate the audience's emotions, using the word as a rhetorical tool rather than presenting an objective reality! Do you agree?

The use of the word "desperately" is defamatory, as it is now clear that the assassin had no connections to MAGA. Kimmel is trying to silence any potential discussions he might face, it's a complete typical strategy to evade responsibility and showcases emotional manipulation at its peak! he not only misrepresented the shooter's ideology, but he also employed the word desperately to discredit anyone who attempted to set the record straight. That is simply a form of propaganda!

He wasn't funny anyway!

No, I don't. I think it would be reasonable to describe your post as "desperately" trying to distract from the fact that Jimmy didn't lie.

Meghan Kelly lied about what Jimmy actually said. Why hasn't she been fired?

You just lied. Jimmy's single sentence said absolutely nothing about the shooter's ideology. The subject of the sentence was not the shooter. Why shouldn't the government deprive you of your livelihood?

You are deliberately reading paranoid fantasies into a single sentence in a comedian's monologue. That's 100% bad faith.

Uh oh, it seems someone's becoming frustrated, you shifted from "Jimmy didn't lie" to "why shouldn't the government ruin your life."

I suppose you're upset because I had the audacity to critique a hack comedian's choice of words. However, keep in mind that you were the one who initiated the discussion about the actual words Kimmel used, not me. Now that I'm demonstrating your error, you're bypassing the discussion and heading directly to a grim forecast type of argument.

Let's spit facts, I'm not the one attempting to inject political smears into a monologue about a traged, Kimmel did that. Your reasoning is misguided and appears to be entirely biased. To assert that Kimmel's statement wasn't related to the shooter is akin to claiming that a firefighter's hose isn't about water, but merely a flexible tube, it's absurd! If you choose to support Kimmel due to your shared progressive views, that's your prerogative, but be prepared for criticism regarding his use of the term "desperate" to characterize a political group during a time of tragedy.

Please shar your thoughts with me, Captain Progressive! Among the three major broadcast networks that require an FCC license, NBC, CBS, and ABC, which one does not feature a late-night talk show host who leans significantly to the left?

I think i am beginning to gain a clearer understanding of your true identity, Captain Progressive. Your identity hinges on the belief that progressivism is the sole true religion on earth, much like your identity as a Mormon depended on the conviction that Mormonism was the only true religion on earth. You've chosen your group, and now you're standing up for its representatives. You will stand by Kimmel unwaveringly, much like a devoted Mormon stands by Joseph Smith.

I understand your frustration with Kimmel, as you witness your vision of a progressive utopia begin to falter, leading to concerns that your ideological beliefs may not withstand the challenges ahead. I’m not sure of your age, but if you’re old enough to have children, it’s likely that you’ve raised them to embrace progressive ideals within the framework you’ve instilled in them. Is there someone in your close family who doesn't identify as a progressive? I bet not!

[Kishkumen]

The word "desperately" in the sentence is an expression of Kimmel's opinion. You may disagree with his opinion. But the expression of an opinion is not a "lie" simply because you don't agree with it.

In my opinion, "desperate" is a reasonable description of the immediate waving of the bloody shirt by MAGA politicians and influencers before they knew anything about Tyler. Your disagreement with my opinion does not make either of us liars. Whether statements by other folks could be fairly described as "desperate" -- or even more desperate -- is irrelevant to what Jimmy actually said.

Jimmy's opinion is not a lie.

Try again.

This is the crazy thing about Kimmel’s indefinite suspension. After two very respectful comments on the tragic murder of Charlie Kirk, Kimmel correctly described the mad scramble, sans evidence, of MAGA pundits and pols to characterize Tyler Robinson as a radical leftist. Note that Kimmel’s “offensive” comments were not about Charlie Kirk at all. Kimmel was instead laying bare the use of Kirk’s sad murder to provoke further division in our country. That was Kimmel’s sin, not behaving disrespectfully regarding Kirk’s horrible murder, but describing the use of this tragedy to further a political agenda—aggravating polarization between MAGA and the rest of the country.

The truth of Kimmel’s dismissal is that Trump wanted it, and Kirk’s awful murder provided Brendan Carr the chance to lick Trump’s boot by making it happen. How did he do it? He dangled the Nexstar merger as something that could take place—against anti-monopoly regs—if Nexstar helped get Kimmel off the air.