Trump's War on the First Amendment

[Whiskey]

Years ago I went to the comedy club at Pechanga. There were three comedians that night. The first two did scripted routines. The third guy, their main event; this guy walks out and struts around while looking over the audience, and then he starts calling people out. "Look at this guy over here!" and then he mimics the guy, making fun of him. A paying customer no less -- Whiskey, if you have any pearls on you to grab hold of. And he continued to do that with several other individuals. He went into scripted material but broke it up throughout the routine by making fun of selected individuals from the crowd.

So let's change this:

Can the Las Vegas Raiders fire an employee for saying stupid crap about their customers?

to:

Can the Pechenga Comedy Club fire a comedian for saying stupid crap about their customers?

The answer is still yes and no. But a bigger problem is other interesting questions can be asked that aren't relevant to the Raiders' scenario like:

Will the Pechenga Comedy Club make more money if a comedian says stupid crap about their customers?

In other words, a problem with the Raiders analogy seems to be that the example was cherry picked as an example where there is a major conflict of interest between the organizations profit-seeking and "saying stupid crap about their customers".

Now do Aaron Hernandez and the Patriots.

[Whiskey]

Since you brought it ip, perhaps that's not why the board exists but that is exactly why the three moderators exist. And trolling.

Yeah, well, very few people want a completely dysfunctional free-for-all.

I think many people could have and would have lost their jobs for being Team Amazing Shot in the moments and days after the assassination. Kimmel’s timing was bad.

The only Team Amazing Shot that exists is in your overly active imagination. Timing on what exactly? Show us what an independent thinker you are. I have yet to see how the timely expressions of sympathy and horror in response to the awful murder were a problem. Feel free to explain the problem. Vague-posting is unhelpful.

At least we agree on why the moderators were selected. The rest of your tantrum is freely spoken.

[Kishkumen]

At least we agree on why the moderators were selected. The rest of your tantrum is freely spoken.

You are entitled to your opinion and say. I am not moaning about it or threatening anyone.

[Whiskey]

“We made a decision last week to preempt “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” following what ABC referred to as Mr. Kimmel’s “ill-timed and insensitive” comments at a critical time in our national discourse. We stand by that decision pending assurance that all parties are committed to fostering an environment of respectful, constructive dialogue in the markets we serve. In the meantime, we note that “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” will be available nationwide on multiple Disney-owned streaming products, while our stations will focus on continuing to produce local news and other programming relevant to their respective markets.”

Nexstar and Sinclair not having it. Better renew your disney app.

I have a hunch this is going to work out a lot like Snow White and the Seven Affinity Groups.

[Kishkumen]

Nexstar and Sinclair not having it. Better renew your disney app.

Well of course they are going to do what Brendan Carr wants. He holds the keys to their mergers. This is why monopolies suck and the FCC chairman should not be the pissboy of the president.

Duh.

[Whiskey]

Nexstar and Sinclair not having it. Better renew your disney app.

Well of course they are going to do what Brendan Carr wants. He holds the keys to their mergers. This is why monopolies suck and the FCC chairman should not be the pissboy of the president.

Duh.

Or, they saw Disney's stellar judgment and chose a different path.

[Kishkumen]

Or, they saw Disney's stellar judgment and chose a different path.

They saw their future mergers and chose the merging path.

[Markk]

Lol, we can certainly test it. Say how you really feel about Kirk openly here and we can send it to XXX and see how they react. He said something insensitive and stupid and he was suspended. There is a long list of others that have done the same and equally paid a price. From Jimmy the Greek, Bill Maher to Rosanne, off the top of my head.

We have freedom of speech, however there are consequences to our speech.

He didn't say anything insensitive or stupid about Charlie Kirk and Kirk's murder, at least that I am aware of. Please show me where he said something insensitive about Charlie Kirk and his murder after the event. Thanks.

It is also noted that your first impulse is to level a threat at me. I remember the days when we used to poke fun at LDS apologists for reporting people to their employers or school supervisors for saying critical things about Mormonism or its apologists. On those rare occasions when a critic did the same to an apologist (I am thinking of GoodK contacting Bob Crockett's law partners), we decried the tactic. GoodK was suspended from the board, if I recall correctly, but I am not sure it was over that. In my view, it should have been, even if it wasn't.

You do remember why this board exists, right? It does not exist for people to threaten each other and squelch free speech. It has always existed to encourage free speech. So, it seems to me that you are suggesting you want to transform the board into another place where people don't feel free to speak their minds. Either that, or you are just being unthinking and reckless.

Do you really want to threaten the board and the people on it in this way? Is that your move? I am assuming that you enjoy coming here to be able to say your piece like the rest of us. We could have an interesting conversation about whether it is tenable to allow people to come here to threaten the free speech of participants on the board and thus the board itself.

Lol...what are you talking about a threat? Focus...I said "test," in context with freedom of speech has consequence. Whether you want to test it is up to you. But actually you ignorantly proved my point by calling it a threat in that you know if you said, via your freedom of speech right, how you actually felt, your employer might suspend or fire you...thanks. So stop trying to be a victim, or at least go to Sic et Non, and learn how to play the victim card from a professional.

Kimmel said some very insensitive things about a man, father, husband, and very important person for half of the country, who had just had life ended, by a very sick young man. If you can't acknowledge that then you are not paying attention. He bosses certainly thought that, or they would not of said so. Kish...focus was paid to tell jokes about a horrible recent assignation, and then lie about the motive for it. That is insensitive, weak, and just down right sad.

"We made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country. It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive," the Walt Disney Company, which owns ABC, said in a statement on Monday. "We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday."

Kimmel should have kept his mouth shut, and not make jokes about Kirks death. You should have kept your mouth shut also, but I doubt either of you will learn. Lets see what you write next?

You have failed miserably and stuck your foot in your mouth in several threads and Hound and Whisky made you look silly, Lol...and rather easily. Trump had nothing to do with it, it was ABC, and as HoH stated so clearly, his freedom of speech was not taken away, he was just reprimanded by his employer for saying something over the top and stupid, and if he wanted to he could go on the net, with a Keith Olbermann type, and say whatever he wants.

Carry on.

[Kishkumen]

Lol...what are you talking about a threat? Focus...I said "test," in context with freedom of speech has consequence. Whether you want to test it is up to you. But actually you ignorantly proved my point by calling it a threat in that you know if you said, via your freedom of speech right, how you actually felt, your employer might suspend or fire you...thanks. So stop trying to be a victim, or at least go to Sic et Non, and learn how to play the victim card from a professional.

As I said, you’re not funny or clever. If you don’t think your words can reasonably be construed as a thinly-veiled threat, you’re just dumb. I give you more credit than that, which means you are a creep.

Kimmel said some very insensitive things about a man, father, husband, and very important person for half of the country, who had just had life ended, by a very sick young man. If you can't acknowledge that then you are not paying attention. He bosses certainly thought that, or they would not of said so. Kish...focus was paid to tell jokes about a horrible recent assignation, and then lie about the motive for it. That is insensitive, weak, and just down right sad.

Go ahead and quote his insensitive words, then. Don’t insult us by imagining we will take your word for it. We don’t.

Kimmel should have kept his mouth shut, and not make jokes about Kirks death. You should have kept your mouth shut also, but I doubt either of you will learn. Lets see what you write next?

That you are an asshole and a bully is very clear. Keep sharing your threats. If you actually read what Kimmel actually said, you would know that he did not make jokes about Kirk’s death. He criticized MAGA talking heads for rushing to judgment about the killer.

[Whiskey]

Lol...what are you talking about a threat? Focus...I said "test," in context with freedom of speech has consequence. Whether you want to test it is up to you. But actually you ignorantly proved my point by calling it a threat in that you know if you said, via your freedom of speech right, how you actually felt, your employer might suspend or fire you...thanks. So stop trying to be a victim, or at least go to Sic et Non, and learn how to play the victim card from a professional.

As I said, you’re not funny or clever. If you don’t think your words can reasonably be construed as a thinly-veiled threat, you’re just dumb. I give you more credit than that, which means you are a creep.

Kimmel said some very insensitive things about a man, father, husband, and very important person for half of the country, who had just had life ended, by a very sick young man. If you can't acknowledge that then you are not paying attention. He bosses certainly thought that, or they would not of said so. Kish...focus was paid to tell jokes about a horrible recent assignation, and then lie about the motive for it. That is insensitive, weak, and just down right sad.

Go ahead and quote his insensitive words, then. Don’t insult us by imagining we will take your word for it. We don’t.

Kimmel should have kept his mouth shut, and not make jokes about Kirks death. You should have kept your mouth shut also, but I doubt either of you will learn. Lets see what you write next?

That you are an asshole and a bully is very clear. Keep sharing your threats. If you actually read what Kimmel actually said, you would know that he did not make jokes about Kirk’s death. He criticized MAGA talking heads for rushing to judgment about the killer.

Kimmel used the imaginary MAGA gang as the bogeyman in his jackassery. Not talking heads.

Paraphrase better.

I see no aggression from Markk. Not an asshole. Though, I can see why you said that as you played the victim card.