Trump's War on the First Amendment

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Re: Trump's War on the First Amendment

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Sun Sep 28, 2025 5:22 pm
Markk, your entire argument was based on the timing of that White House tour — insisting that it was that “meeting” was the occasion where Joe Biden struck a corrupt deal. Your whole claim about that meeting was based on the fact that occurred shortly before Joe Biden traveled to Ukraine.

Kish is presenting the same type of evidence: the FCC Chair threatened ABC and Nexstar shortly before both took him off the air. But now, simply because it involved Trump, you claim that the same type of evidence when applied to show Biden is not even evidence as to Trump’s FCC.

This isn’t just willful blindness — it’s irrational.
Actually, what you are saying for and in behalf of your client, Mr. Kishkumen may contradict your point. Isn't Kish the one, in this case, making assumptions simply because it involves Trump? Isn't that his whole point? Disney, according to Kish, must be lying because the story involves Trump. Isn't that his point?

I don't get the impression that Markk is accusing Kish of being wrong. He is merely pointing out that Kish is making an assumption simply because it involves Trump, and it is only an assumption. Kish would look cool here if he just acknowledged the obvious, which is, "yeah man, we dunno. Seems sus AF and we dunno"
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Re: Trump's War on the First Amendment

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Sun Sep 28, 2025 5:22 pm
Markk, your entire argument was based on the timing of that White House tour — insisting that it was that “meeting” was the occasion where Joe Biden struck a corrupt deal. Your whole claim about that meeting was based on the fact that occurred shortly before Joe Biden traveled to Ukraine.

Kish is presenting the same type of evidence: the FCC Chair threatened ABC and Nexstar shortly before both took him off the air. But now, simply because it involved Trump, you claim that the same type of evidence when applied to show Biden is not even evidence as to Trump’s FCC.

This isn’t just willful blindness — it’s irrational.
CFR. we can read the thread/s. Back up your assertion. I had multiple arguments with multiple evidences.
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Markk wrote:
Sun Sep 28, 2025 7:46 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Sun Sep 28, 2025 5:22 pm
Markk, your entire argument was based on the timing of that White House tour — insisting that it was that “meeting” was the occasion where Joe Biden struck a corrupt deal. Your whole claim about that meeting was based on the fact that occurred shortly before Joe Biden traveled to Ukraine.

Kish is presenting the same type of evidence: the FCC Chair threatened ABC and Nexstar shortly before both took him off the air. But now, simply because it involved Trump, you claim that the same type of evidence when applied to show Biden is not even evidence as to Trump’s FCC.

This isn’t just willful blindness — it’s irrational.
CFR. we can read the thread/s. Back up your assertion. I had multiple arguments with multiple evidences.
Missing the point since … forever.
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Trump said:

“I would think maybe their license should be taken away. It will be up to Brendan Carr.” — said aboard Air Force One, on Sept. 18, 2025, discussing how broadcasters “give me only bad publicity or press.”

“Jimmy Kimmel was fired because he had bad ratings more than anything else and he said a horrible thing about a great man named Charlie Kirk.”

“Jimmy Kimmel is not a talented person, he had very bad ratings, and they should have fired him a long time ago.”

Carr said, after Trump’s comments:

“We can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct and take action, frankly, on Kimmel, or there’s going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.” — said on the Benny Johnson podcast, Sept. 17, 2025.

“This is a very significant moment because local broadcasters are now pushing back on national programmers for the first time that I can think of in modern history. That’s one of the things we want at the FCC. We want to empower local broadcasters that have the public interest obligation to push back on national programmers so that people have more choice.”

Timeline:

1) Sept 10, 2025 — Charlie Kirk is killed. That event triggered Kimmel’s monologue and the subsequent political/media backlash. All he said is people are rushing to judgement to make a political point, and urged people to let the process work it out.

2) Sept 17, 2025 — ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel Live! “indefinitely” after getting a lot of conservatives complaing.

3) Sept 17–18, 2025 — Trump-appointed FCC Chair Brendan Carr publicly criticizes Kimmel. Carr praises affiliates for preempting Kimmel and signals that airing such content may warrant regulatory scrutiny, implying FCC involvement.

4) Sept 17–19, 2025 — Major affiliates refuse to air Kimmel. Nexstar and Sinclair drop the program; Nexstar is simultaneously pursuing a $6.2B merger with Tegna that requires FCC approval, heightening the impact of regulatory pressure.

5) Sept 18–19, 2025 — President Trump praises suspension and threatens critics. Trump publicly celebrates Kimmel’s suspension, labels him untalented, and floats the idea of punitive measures toward broadcasters critical of him.

6) Sept 22, 2025 — Disney/ABC reinstates Kimmel after six days and a metric lot of Disney+ cancelations. After the backlash and First Amendment concerns, ABC announced the show’s return, though affiliates like Nexstar and Sinclair continue refusing to air it.

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Sun Sep 28, 2025 8:27 pm
Markk wrote:
Sun Sep 28, 2025 7:46 pm
CFR. we can read the thread/s. Back up your assertion. I had multiple arguments with multiple evidences.
Missing the point since … forever.
I don’t think that any actual ‘evidence’ was provided. Only vague assertions. It’s why the thread kept going on forever; folks kept asking for evidence.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Sun Sep 28, 2025 8:27 pm
Markk wrote:
Sun Sep 28, 2025 7:46 pm
CFR. we can read the thread/s. Back up your assertion. I had multiple arguments with multiple evidences.
Missing the point since … forever.
Again, you can back up your assertion, or just throw more excuses as fodder.
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Markk wrote:
Mon Sep 29, 2025 12:29 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Sun Sep 28, 2025 8:27 pm
Missing the point since … forever.
Again, you can back up your assertion, or just throw more excuses as fodder.
Do you still contend that Devon Archer bribed Joe Biden while taking his kids on a tour of the White House?
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Sep 29, 2025 12:44 am
Markk wrote:
Mon Sep 29, 2025 12:29 am


Again, you can back up your assertion, or just throw more excuses as fodder.
Do you still contend that Devon Archer bribed Joe Biden while taking his kids on a tour of the White House?
Show me where I said that? You brought this up, back up your assertion. We can review exactly what I wrote, which is a lot, and in what context.
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Ok, I’ll take that as a no.
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Re: Trump's War on the First Amendment

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Sep 29, 2025 3:47 am
Ok, I’ll take that as a no.
LOL, I am open for a conversation. Show me were I wrote that in the context you present here. Please back up your assertion with what I actually wrote.
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