When I was just a little boy.....

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When I was just a little boy.....

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For some reason that Saturday's Warrior song popped into my head when two missionaries stopped by last week. I am always nice and cordial when I come across missionaries, either at home or in the wild. Having served a mission long ago, I know what they are going through and empathize with such a daunting task. Now knocking doors in a Salt Lake suburb is much different than catholic drenched Spain (where I served) but still, I try to be the nice guy my mom taught me to be lol.

Anyway, two elders showed up last week and their approach rubbed me the wrong way. Since my neighbor across the street is our home teacher/minister, he was supposed to keep us off the visit list, but something must have fallen through. They obviously knew who we were, confirming me by name. Then right off the bat, at the doorstep, they launch into "So why aren't you going to church anymore?" At that moment, I got a little ticked off and snarky. They don't know me at all and haven't done anything to BRT (Build Relationships of Trust - the old mish acronym from my day), and then they go straight for a deeply personal question that cannot be expressed in a single sentence (well it actually can - "I don't believe the church is true", but I just don't like to go there with people I don't even know. I like to be a little more nuanced in my explanation). So it kind of pissed me off, but then at the same time, I remember doing the same thing to inactives I met along the way during my mission. So maybe I was little annoyed at myself too, thinking back how clueless I was at 19. I had zero life experience, zero wisdom, and zero real empathy - I was just charging around doing what I was told to do and how to behave. I have a son that age right now, and while he is a great kid and mature beyond his years, he still doesn't have the life experience yet to teach personal life lessons to anyone about anything (unless we are talking Fortnight, Battlefield 6, or Call of Duty). :lol:

I ended up responding by saying something like "You know, its a long story over several years, and I don't like getting into it with people so young in the faith as yourselves, as I really don't want to do or say anything that might hurt or damage you guys". To which they laughingly responded in typical proud, bold, strong in the faith missionaries they are taught to be, that there was nothing I could say that would sway them or cause them to doubt as they have heard it all...... Heavy sigh. They still wanted me to explain more, but I just left them with a "Listen guys. I have been where you are. In this exact spot, over 30 years ago. I know what it feels like to be you and what you are doing. I've probably forgotten more about the church than you currently know right now. I've lived a lot more life than you have, which has given me a different perspective. I wish you the best on the rest of your missions. Focus on getting to know people, being humble, and being willing to learn from others. Have a great day." And then I closed the door.

Overall the experience left me more convinced that the purpose of the missionary program is not to bring others to the church. Its an incidental benefit that happens here and there, but it definitely more about the experience for the missionary and solidifying them in the faith through an arduous suffering experience. The move to allow the ladies to go out at 19 just confirmed this. It's now just a bunch of youth going out on an extended EFY trip.
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Re: When I was just a little boy.....

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Black Moclips wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:03 pm
The move to allow the ladies to go out at 19 just confirmed this.
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My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one. ;)

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MG
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:09 pm
Black Moclips wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:03 pm
The move to allow the ladies to go out at 19 just confirmed this.
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My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one. ;)

Regards,
MG
After a big to-do where he insisted he doesn't treat others badly or differently, nor does he disrespect others' beliefs, the mentalgymnast is back to his standard passive-aggressive stereotypical putdowns of people who believe differently than he does.

No surprise there.
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Re: When I was just a little boy.....

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:09 pm
Black Moclips wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:03 pm
The move to allow the ladies to go out at 19 just confirmed this.
18

My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one. ;)

Regards,
MG
MG, I have wondered a few times if Marcus is too hard on you. You then come up with this comment which makes me think that she is not too hard.
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Re: When I was just a little boy.....

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:09 pm
Black Moclips wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:03 pm
The move to allow the ladies to go out at 19 just confirmed this.
18

My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one. ;)

Regards,
MG
My takeaway is that you are the most unchristian person who posts on this board. But let me be clear, that has nothing to say about you as a person in your own right.
;)
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: When I was just a little boy.....

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:09 pm
Black Moclips wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:03 pm
The move to allow the ladies to go out at 19 just confirmed this.
My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one. ;)

Regards,
MG
Remind me again, why aren’t you ready/willing to trust your Lord and serve a senior mission? More reasons than one? ;)
Last edited by I Have Questions on Wed Dec 03, 2025 11:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: When I was just a little boy.....

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:09 pm
Black Moclips wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:03 pm
The move to allow the ladies to go out at 19 just confirmed this.
18

My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one. ;)

Regards,
MG
You should plead to go on a senior mission but only if they put you in a position of welcoming tourists to either temple square or historic sites in the Midwest. Your sensitivity to deeply connect on a personal level to new people would be a tremendous missionary opportunity and a marvelous chance to showcase how the Mormon lifestyle has sculpted your character.
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Re: When I was just a little boy.....

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Black Moclips wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:03 pm
I remember doing the same thing to inactives I met along the way during my mission. So maybe I was little annoyed at myself too, thinking back how clueless I was at 19. I had zero life experience, zero wisdom, and zero real empathy - I was just charging around doing what I was told to do and how to behave.
Reminds me of how I was when serving my mission. I was a real prick. :D
Black Moclips wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:03 pm
To which they laughingly responded in typical proud, bold, strong in the faith missionaries they are taught to be, that there was nothing I could say that would sway them or cause them to doubt as they have heard it all......
Send those little bastards my way so I can devour them and shove the Book of Abraham down their throats so hard they won't know what hit them. Not even MG will be able to save their sorry asses once I'm done with them.

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Re: When I was just a little boy.....

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:09 pm
Black Moclips wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:03 pm
The move to allow the ladies to go out at 19 just confirmed this.
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I'm sure brother Joseph would allow some to go out at age 14 in order to toughen them up and prepare them for his own personal needs, if you know what I mean. Wade S. Christofferson can be the chaperone.

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Re: When I was just a little boy.....

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:09 pm
My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one. ;)
Same as you.
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