Mormonism's OA and the mighty F-S chain

[Dr. Shades]

Dang it, Venerable Dr Shades - you know well that 𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑡 is a perfectly good word. Why does the board s/w "correct" it to can't?

Because way too many people fail to put the apostrophe between the "n" and the "t" when contracting the word "cannot."

I mean, anyone who knows what 𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑡 is should be allowed to use it without jumping through hoops, don't you think?

Of course you/they should. The problem is that those who can't put apostrophes within contractions of "cannot" have ruined it for you/them.

[malkie]

Dang it, Venerable Dr Shades - you know well that 𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑡 is a perfectly good word. Why does the board s/w "correct" it to can't?

Because way too many people fail to put the apostrophe between the "n" and the "t" when contracting the word "cannot."

I mean, anyone who knows what 𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑡 is should be allowed to use it without jumping through hoops, don't you think?

Of course you/they should. The problem is that those who can't put apostrophes within contractions of "cannot" have ruined it for you/them.

Has the board s/w counted how many 𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒕s were intended to be 𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒕, and how many were intended to be a contraction of 𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒏𝒐𝒕?

Worse, though, is the folding of 𝒍𝒅𝒔 to uppercase, because it breaks URLs. Would it be possible to turn off autocorrect inside URLs? And for there to be some means of escaping text so that spellcheck is turned off? Even the [𝒄𝒐𝒅𝒆] tag with the attribute 𝒔𝒑𝒆𝒍𝒍𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒄𝒌="𝒇𝒂𝒍𝒔𝒆" still autocorrects.

[Dr. Shades]

Has the board s/w counted how many 𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒕s were intended to be 𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒕, and how many were intended to be a contraction of 𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒏𝒐𝒕?

No, because the board s/w doesn't know how to read people's intent. It can only read the typed letters.

Worse, though, is the folding of 𝒍𝒅𝒔 to uppercase, because it breaks URLs. Would it be possible to turn off autocorrect inside URLs?

Unfortunately, no. It's either on or it's off.

And for there to be some means of escaping text so that spellcheck is turned off? Even the [𝒄𝒐𝒅𝒆] tag with the attribute 𝒔𝒑𝒆𝒍𝒍𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒄𝒌="𝒇𝒂𝒍𝒔𝒆" still autocorrects.

Sure. Look at the thread near the top of the page titled "Helpful hints to 'Tweak' the board" and you'll see how to turn it off.

[Rivendale]

I will be posting it on this forum, but there is plenty of time to enjoy working on it, as others might enjoy hitting a golf ball around a field of grass without concern about the time. It's the only Mormon-related theological idea I have and it's come in glimpses and patchwork over the years; I've mentioned this chain several times on the board in jest over the years, in bafflement over what it means.

I've learned a lot in the discussions on these threads. I think it was a good idea in retrospect to post the wall of text and let the chips fall. The next version will be longer, but broken into small sections over time. So someone who normally doesn't want to read a wall of text could give it shot. Clarity will be the goal.

I’m looking forward to it. I’ve been thinking that maybe the chain itself is the grounding for Mormon metaphysics but haven’t figured out how that might work, particularly with the potential for constant change. Which I think surfaces in the inconsistencies we see in prophetic succession.

I think you are on to something, but I’m also thinking through the apparent consequences.

Looking back through this thread you made a comment about eternal intelligences (thread 3) and the father child hierarchy. Unless I missed it or wasn't following the philosophical arguments nobody addressed it. I always wondered why god got the better of everyone when it is an eternal existence. What event changed the intermingled existence of intelligences to father child? Joseph Smith had no problem changing family dynamics when he changed father daughter to father wife(s). (Which cascades through the population of Mormon and fundamentalist sects for hundreds of years.) He merely blamed god. I don't think the theory that god had the better intelligence composition (or motivation) because that means however he acquired it would hint at the real god.

[malkie]

Has the board s/w counted how many 𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒕s were intended to be 𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒕, and how many were intended to be a contraction of 𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒏𝒐𝒕?

No, because the board s/w doesn't know how to read people's intent. It can only read the typed letters.

Worse, though, is the folding of 𝒍𝒅𝒔 to uppercase, because it breaks URLs. Would it be possible to turn off autocorrect inside URLs?

Unfortunately, no. It's either on or it's off.

And for there to be some means of escaping text so that spellcheck is turned off? Even the [𝒄𝒐𝒅𝒆] tag with the attribute 𝒔𝒑𝒆𝒍𝒍𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒄𝒌="𝒇𝒂𝒍𝒔𝒆" still autocorrects.

Sure. Look at the thread near the top of the page titled "Helpful hints to 'Tweak' the board" and you'll see how to turn it off.

Thanks - I never thought to look under Disabling the word censor to edit out "Filthy language" as a way to allow "LDS" to remain lower case.

[Limnor]

I’m looking forward to it. I’ve been thinking that maybe the chain itself is the grounding for Mormon metaphysics but haven’t figured out how that might work, particularly with the potential for constant change. Which I think surfaces in the inconsistencies we see in prophetic succession.

I think you are on to something, but I’m also thinking through the apparent consequences.

Looking back through this thread you made a comment about eternal intelligences (thread 3) and the father child hierarchy. Unless I missed it or wasn't following the philosophical arguments nobody addressed it. I always wondered why god got the better of everyone when it is an eternal existence. What event changed the intermingled existence of intelligences to father child? Joseph Smith had no problem changing family dynamics when he changed father daughter to father wife(s). (Which cascades through the population of Mormon and fundamentalist sects for hundreds of years.) He merely blamed god. I don't think the theory that god had the better intelligence composition (or motivation) because that means however he acquired it would hint at the real god.

That’s the question—and I think Joseph may have been on the verge of discovering another ancient document that would have helped settle the matter before he was killed.

I keep coming back to the questions of why was this eternal intelligence—Elohim—selected out of all of us? Who selected this particular eternal intelligence? that’s your point: whoever selected Elohim is the “real god” (though that god would have been selected by a previous god and etc foerever into eternity past). I mean if we were all eternal intelligences what did Elohim do that was more righteous or whatever that resulted in his selection?

And—echoing gad—why was Jesus there with Elohim doing the creating? Jesus hadn’t been exalted yet, or so I presume, so what set him apart from the rest of us to help create? Was it all predestined?

When you all were believers, did you just not consider this stuff or is there a tradition that answers it?

[Rivendale]

Looking back through this thread you made a comment about eternal intelligences (thread 3) and the father child hierarchy. Unless I missed it or wasn't following the philosophical arguments nobody addressed it. I always wondered why god got the better of everyone when it is an eternal existence. What event changed the intermingled existence of intelligences to father child? Joseph Smith had no problem changing family dynamics when he changed father daughter to father wife(s). (Which cascades through the population of Mormon and fundamentalist sects for hundreds of years.) He merely blamed god. I don't think the theory that god had the better intelligence composition (or motivation) because that means however he acquired it would hint at the real god.

That’s the question—and I think Joseph may have been on the verge of discovering another ancient document that would have helped settle the matter before he was killed.

I keep coming back to the questions of why was this eternal intelligence—Elohim—selected out of all of us? Who selected this particular eternal intelligence? that’s your point: whoever selected Elohim is the “real god” (though that god would have been selected by a previous god and etc foerever into eternity past). I mean if we were all eternal intelligences what did Elohim do that was more righteous or whatever that resulted in his selection?

And—echoing gad—why was Jesus there with Elohim doing the creating? Jesus hadn’t been exalted yet, or so I presume, so what set him apart from the rest of us to help create? Was it all predestined?

When you all were believers, did you just not consider this stuff or is there a tradition that answers it?

Jesus being there despite being exalted is proof that mortality is unnecessary or did he get the fast track because of the mystery of pre-mortal hat sorting?

[Limnor]

That’s the question—and I think Joseph may have been on the verge of discovering another ancient document that would have helped settle the matter before he was killed.

I keep coming back to the questions of why was this eternal intelligence—Elohim—selected out of all of us? Who selected this particular eternal intelligence? that’s your point: whoever selected Elohim is the “real god” (though that god would have been selected by a previous god and etc foerever into eternity past). I mean if we were all eternal intelligences what did Elohim do that was more righteous or whatever that resulted in his selection?

And—echoing gad—why was Jesus there with Elohim doing the creating? Jesus hadn’t been exalted yet, or so I presume, so what set him apart from the rest of us to help create? Was it all predestined?

When you all were believers, did you just not consider this stuff or is there a tradition that answers it?

Jesus being there despite being exalted is proof that mortality is unnecessary or did he get the fast track because of the mystery of pre-mortal hat sorting?

This could be extended to why are Peter, James, and John appearing in the garden of Eden?

[malkie]

Looking back through this thread you made a comment about eternal intelligences (thread 3) and the father child hierarchy. Unless I missed it or wasn't following the philosophical arguments nobody addressed it. I always wondered why god got the better of everyone when it is an eternal existence. What event changed the intermingled existence of intelligences to father child? Joseph Smith had no problem changing family dynamics when he changed father daughter to father wife(s). (Which cascades through the population of Mormon and fundamentalist sects for hundreds of years.) He merely blamed god. I don't think the theory that god had the better intelligence composition (or motivation) because that means however he acquired it would hint at the real god.

That’s the question—and I think Joseph may have been on the verge of discovering another ancient document that would have helped settle the matter before he was killed.

I keep coming back to the questions of why was this eternal intelligence—Elohim—selected out of all of us? Who selected this particular eternal intelligence? that’s your point: whoever selected Elohim is the “real god” (though that god would have been selected by a previous god and etc foerever into eternity past). I mean if we were all eternal intelligences what did Elohim do that was more righteous or whatever that resulted in his selection?

And—echoing gad—why was Jesus there with Elohim doing the creating? Jesus hadn’t been exalted yet, or so I presume, so what set him apart from the rest of us to help create? Was it all predestined?

When you all were believers, did you just not consider this stuff or is there a tradition that answers it?

Why not just natural variation? (opening the door to the question: what is "nature", or what does "natural" mean)

Just because all "intelligences" are co-eternal doesn't have to mean that they were equal in any other respect.

[Dr. Shades]

Thanks - I never thought to look under Disabling the word censor to edit out "Filthy language" as a way to allow "LDS" to remain lower case.

The word censor is also a grammar and spelling auto-corrector (thanks to me).