Mormonism's OA and the mighty F-S chain

[Gadianton]

The closest to an unofficial theory comes from Cleon Skousen in his "personal search for the atonement". This is a lecture that exists in the realm of the mission field, where most missionaries get exposed to a copy of the lecture but it's all behind closed doors and never, ever would be allowed to be discussed by the MP.

There are two things in the world, intelligence and matter. Matter must be filled with intelligence, otherwise God couldn't command it to move. Each intelligence that inhabits a piece of matter is a person like you or I. Happily obeying God's command if called upon. Presumably, though I don't recall this being said, it's been a really long time, those intelligences that excelled at obeying commands moving pieces of matter around would get the chance to move up in the "spheres of creation" and become a higher level being, like a bug or something. Even in that talk this isn't said, but it's the only thing that would make sense. Mormons have an active belief that reincarnation is hog wash, and this likely forces the mind from thinking about the implications. The talk gives the sense that in the pre-existence, we're out there as part of the universe as an eternal "I" that perhaps took part in making the earth move into place as God formed it -- or something. At some point, perhaps luck but possibly skill, "I" was selected to be born as a spirit.

[sock puppet]

Posting these 'back and forth' posts on this thread so as to alleviate any concern that some may have that I have used AI in my responses.

Regards,
MG

Trolls are gonna troll.

[MG 2.0]

Posting these 'back and forth' posts on this thread so as to alleviate any concern that some may have that I have used AI in my responses.

Regards,
MG

Trolls are gonna troll.

Your response is offensive and inflammatory. You are trolling. Classic behavior. Same with others that do the exact same thing. It is YOU and others that end up derailing threads by coming in and causing havoc by avoiding substance and attacking the messenger. Over and over again.

Watch where this thread goes now that you've come in and crapped on it.

Unfortunate.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Fibber:
That's where LDS theology and the King Follett discourse come into the picture. We worship a God who has had common experience with us. He has experienced pain and suffering. Happiness and joy. He has overcome all things. He is our perfect example. Jesus became incarnate and experienced the physicality of a 'fallen world' with all of its ups and downs.
Regards,
Fibber

The beauty of the Gospel lies in its profound simplicity.

Eternity is full of thrones upon which dwell thousands of Children reigning on thrones of glory not one cubit added to their stature.

I find myself pondering whether these other divine infant and child gods also journeyed through full lives rich with happiness, joy, pain, and suffering. Did they share that common human experience with us? Perhaps we on Earth are just simply fortunate to have an adult God guiding us.

[MG 2.0]

As per my earlier post I would say that by definition, " a relatable, material God is greater than the abstract one". If one looks within the context of what I said.

There seems to be some controversy revolving around 'greater than, less than' and how that seemingly blows up the chain of gods/Gods. It may all come down to relationship with those of the same 'species'. It is the relationships that build community. That may well be how the universe itself works in regard to intelligent life and progression.

My two cents.

There are many different communities built by humans throughout the span of human development and history. Many of them quite different from each other. Would that not be a possibility in a hoped for hereafter? Obviously, we're all not alike here. Why would one think we would be 'there'?

In LDS theology it is the covenant relationship with "one greater than they all" that creates a celestial kingdom/community. Indeed it is ALL about relationship with those that are relatable specifically to us as individuals.

I don't see how this is even possible with an 'abstract god'.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

As per my earlier post I would say that by definition, " a relatable, material God is greater than the abstract one". If one looks within the context of what I said.

There seems to be some controversy revolving around 'greater than, less than' and how that seemingly blows up the chain of gods/Gods. It may all come down to relationship with those of the same 'species'. It is the relationships that build community. That may well be how the universe itself works in regard to intelligent life and progression.

My two cents.

There are many different communities built by humans throughout the span of human development and history. Many of them quite different from each other. Would that not be a possibility in a hoped for hereafter? Obviously, we're all not alike here. Why would one think we would be 'there'?

In LDS theology it is the covenant relationship with "one greater than they all" that creates a celestial kingdom/community. Indeed it is ALL about relationship with those that are relatable specifically to us as individuals.

I don't see how this is even possible with an 'abstract god'.

Regards,
MG (MOD NOTE: original content/names within quoted posts should remain unchanged. -c-)

Fibber,

To whom are you responding? Your comment doesn't make any sense.

[MG 2.0]

In response/addition to my last post, isn't it obvious that there are those, even here, that would just as well create their own communities here and in the hereafter based upon certain principles of behavior/action/beliefs that are unique to them?

And yet, those that would condemn the LDS way of life in living the Gospel of Jesus Christ...and building covenant relationships with each other and with God....would like to destroy that community.

One might ask themselves...why?

Build your own community and thrive. Why not let the LDS community live and let live? I don't fully understand what your motivations are.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

In response/addition to my last post, isn't it obvious that there are those, even here, that would just as well create their own communities here and in the hereafter based upon certain principles of behavior/action/beliefs that are unique to them?

And yet, those that would condemn the LDS way of life in living the Gospel of Jesus Christ...and building covenant relationships with each other and with God....would like to destroy that community.

One might ask themselves...why?

Build your own community and thrive. Why not let the LDS community live and let live? I don't fully understand what your motivations are.

Regards,
MG (MOD NOTE: original content/names within quoted posts should remain unchanged. -c-)

Fibber,

Who in the world are you chatting with? A ghost?!

[MG 2.0]

...Fibber...

I'm not a "fibber" and you know it. You are a liar.

You are a Troll by definition.

Trying to blow up the flow of conversation and discussion. No real substance. No real thought. Just inflammatory and offensive 'triggers'.

I can't take you seriously and respond at any length with you. I'm responding only to call you out again. You are a confirmed liar.

Please do not continue to derail this thread by asking irrelevant questions or using inflammatory language. (not holding up any hope that this will happen)

I have contributed some thoughtful and possibly useful posts. You and others come in and drop bombs and wreak havoc. Please stop. Please. You're not even fun anymore. As if you ever were.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

I'm not a "fibber" and you know it. You are a liar.

You are a Troll by definition.

Trying to blow up the flow of conversation and discussion. No real substance. No real thought. Just inflammatory and offensive 'triggers'.

I can't take you seriously and respond at any length with you. I'm responding only to call you out again. You are a confirmed liar.

Please do not continue to derail this thread by asking irrelevant questions or using inflammatory language. (not holding up any hope that this will happen)

I have contributed some thoughtful and possibly useful posts. You and others come in and drop bombs and wreak havoc. Please stop. Please. You're not even fun anymore. As if you ever were.

Regards,
Fibber

Trolls are gonna troll....