How often "plates" are discussed here.

[I Have Questions]

That is true. Only God can. And not just ANY god...

That's where things get rather messy, right?

The Book of Mormon makes it rather clear that we should not trust in the "arm of the flesh".

Regards,
MG

I'd be interested in hearing what others think I mean by "arm of the flesh". Also, why the repeated asking?

I'd be happy to come back later and further elucidate as to what I was/am referring to...but first...what are YOUR thoughts?

What is "arm of the flesh" and why did I use that phrase? What do YOU think it means and how it might apply to what was being said/talked about?

Back later to see if there is/are any original thoughts.

Thanks.

Regards,
MG

You introduced the term, so you need to explain what you think you mean by it. BEFORE asking others to explain what they think you meant by it. Your homework is not somebody else’s responsibility. The repeated asking for an explanation is because you haven’t yet explained what you meant by it, specifically.

[Limnor]

I'd be interested in hearing what others think I mean by "arm of the flesh". Also, why the repeated asking?

I’ll play. By “arm of the flesh,” I think you mean placing trust in a human intermediary and letting that replace independent thinking.

But I may be misreading you.

Also, this is a Mormon discussion board, so the “repeated asking” might be because, well, you brought it up, and there is a Mormon connection there…

[I Have Questions]

I'd be interested in hearing what others think I mean by "arm of the flesh". Also, why the repeated asking?

I’ll play. By “arm of the flesh,” I think you mean placing trust in a human intermediary and letting that replace independent thinking.

But I may be misreading you.

Also, this is a Mormon discussion board, so the “repeated asking” might be because, well, you brought it up, and there is a Mormon connection there…

Just to be clear, and to clarify...you're saying, as an example, someone growing up and living their life based upon instructions from some unrelated humans who claim to know what's best for you...who you should marry...what you should drink...what you should wear...etc would be someone trusting in the "arm of the flesh"? I cannot believe that's what MG meant by the term. The irony would be too much. He must have some other definition that he was driving at. I suspect we'll never know...

[Limnor]

It’s one of those terms applied broadly and with enough vagueness to sound thoughtful even if misapplied. Sounds “biblically.”

[Gadianton]

, "stuff" (ignoring what was actually said), "he's contradicting himself!!"(without actually looking for meaning/understanding), etc.

Actually, MG, your confusion is on full display.

I'm referring to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. As members of the church we believe it is that same God that speaks to prophets in the Book of Mormon. The promises of spiritual knowledge, divine help, and salvation are tied to that specific deity.

The Creator of Heaven and Earth. The Big Guy (His Son, anyway)...but He's a God too

You claim that salvation and everything is tied to a specific deity, yet you name two -- "the big guy" and his "son". One of those options, according to you, is useless to the ends of spiritual knowledge, divine help, and salvation.

[MG 2.0]

, "stuff" (ignoring what was actually said), "he's contradicting himself!!"(without actually looking for meaning/understanding), etc.

Actually, MG, your confusion is on full display.

I'm referring to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. As members of the church we believe it is that same God that speaks to prophets in the Book of Mormon. The promises of spiritual knowledge, divine help, and salvation are tied to that specific deity.

The Creator of Heaven and Earth. The Big Guy (His Son, anyway)...but He's a God too

You claim that salvation and everything is tied to a specific deity, yet you name two -- "the big guy" and his "son". One of those options, according to you, is useless to the ends of spiritual knowledge, divine help, and salvation.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is no other than the God we refer to nowadays as Jesus Christ, the Son of God the Father. Latter-day Saints would understand that revelation and direction from the "one true God" to be either through/from Jesus Christ or God the Father. They work as a team for the salvation/exaltation of mankind.

Big Guy=God the Father. Son=Jesus Christ.

Again, it really isn't rocket science unless one makes it out to be. The creator/Father of mankind is the one in whom Latter-day Saints worship. The one and only true and living God.

There is no confusion unless it is on the part of critics and/or those that have little understanding as to the doctrines of the CofJCofLDS.

I expect that there will be more or less some more 'muddying of the waters' from those that would like to distort the doctrines of the LDS Church for their own purposes.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

The one person who has commented on "arm of the flesh" has not defined the phrase/term in the way that I meant it back a few pages ago. I might suggest going back and rereading what I originally said and the context in which I was saying it.

It's not that complicated even though some are making it out to be.

No takers so far, except for one. A point for trying.

Regards,
MG

[Gadianton]

They work as a team for the salvation/exaltation of mankind.

If that's the case do you retract your statement that salvation is tied to a specific deity?

[Limnor]

The one person who has commented on "arm of the flesh" has not defined the phrase/term in the way that I meant it back a few pages ago. I might suggest going back and rereading what I originally said and the context in which I was saying it.

It's not that complicated even though some are making it out to be.

No takers so far, except for one. A point for trying.

Regards,
MG

MG, quick question. Are you trying to avoid directly responding to me? It’s a bit surprising, but I suppose I did authorize it lol

That said, I’d still be interested in how you’re defining “arm of the flesh” here.

[MG 2.0]

They work as a team for the salvation/exaltation of mankind.

If that's the case do you retract your statement that salvation is tied to a specific deity?

I've said what I've said.

Regards,
MG