WHO or WHICH is most important?

[LittleNipper]

Is JOSEPH SMITH more important than Jesus the Christ? Is Jesus the Christ more important than JOSEPH SMITH or are THEY both equal? Why or why not?

Established Mormon doctrine answers this question quite decisively about whose mission is more important leaving no room for debate:

vs.

Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it.

[x] Jesus
[ ] Smith

It would suggest to you that Paul/Saul would be regarded as far more important and likely the more modest.

[Shulem]

It would suggest to you that Paul/Saul would be regarded as far more important and likely the more modest.

I’m quite familiar with everything Paul/Saul is said to have written in the epistles of the New Testament and his fame therein certainly credits him with building the Christian religion on a grand scale. I can agree that Paul was more modest in character than Joseph Smith whose writings and personality exhibit qualities that are more modest than Smith who was known to be arrogant and overbearing.

[huckelberry]

Nipper. To all my familiarity with Mormons belief Jesus is clearly superior, I have never heard of any uncertainty there.

[LittleNipper]

Nipper. To all my familiarity with Mormons belief Jesus is clearly superior, I have never heard of any uncertainty there.

So, what is more important; that which we do for Christ or that which HE does for CHRISTIANS.

[Shulem]

So, what is more important; that which we do for Christ or that which HE does for CHRISTIANS.

Another loaded question? Who died for who?

Consider some of the emotional outbursts of anger and frustration exhibited by Old Testament God and it becomes abundantly clear that his EGO and self needs are greater than everyone else combined! So, fall in line, bow down, and do whatever he says or suffer the consequences. Christian teachings affirm that what Christ does for them is more important because without his saving powers they would otherwise be tossed into a lake of fire with unbelievers. Yes, the message of the New Testament is to accept Christ or be damned. The New Testament makes it clear that if one fails to take upon them name of Christ and confess his salvation then whatever else they might do for Christ sake (good works, acts of charity, etc.) has no heavenly reward.

I am not a Christian but appreciate some of the wise sayings and teachings of Christ which I interpret very differently than most Christians who think they have it all figured out.

[LittleNipper]

So, what is more important; that which we do for Christ or that which HE does for CHRISTIANS.

Another loaded question? Who died for who?

Consider some of the emotional outbursts of anger and frustration exhibited by Old Testament God and it becomes abundantly clear that his EGO and self needs are greater than everyone else combined! So, fall in line, bow down, and do whatever he says or suffer the consequences. Christian teachings affirm that what Christ does for them is more important because without his saving powers they would otherwise be tossed into a lake of fire with unbelievers. Yes, the message of the New Testament is to accept Christ or be damned. The New Testament makes it clear that if one fails to take upon them name of Christ and confess his salvation then whatever else they might do for Christ sake (good works, acts of charity, etc.) has no heavenly reward.

I am not a Christian but appreciate some of the wise sayings and teachings of Christ which I interpret very differently than most Christians who think they have it all figured out.

Ten things Jesus said:

1. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16)
2. “do to others what you would have them do to you…” (Matthew 7:12)
3. “Love your neighbour as yourself” (Mark 12:31)
4. “with God all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26)
5. “the truth will set you free” (John 8:32)
6. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1)
7. “It is more blessed to give than to receive” (Acts 20:35)
8. “I am the light of the world” (John 8:12)
9. “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28)
10. “Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name…” (Matthew 6:9-13)

[bill4long]

That's your opinion without anything to back it up. GOD is not female though HE does have a nurturing side according to the Bible. However, HE created the Universe by speaking it into being according to the Bible. GOD didn't give birth to it. I do agree that GOD through the indwelling of the HOLY SPIRIT is in contact with all those that are saved through faith in Christ. The Creation story in GOD's Word is straight forward and follows a logical course of events.

"Logical" but inconsistent with the overwhelming empirical evidence. The same as an explanation to children how all the presents showed up under the Christmas tree. Eventually the kids grow up and out of the "baby story."

I find it interesting, even humorous, that LDS Prophet/Seer/Revelator Brigham Young thought the Genesis account of man's creation was a "baby story". (JD 2:6) And preached it at a General Conference. Lo, it's perilous to be a dead Prophet/Seer/Revelator in the Brighamite LDS church.

Another loaded question? Who died for who?

Consider some of the emotional outbursts of anger and frustration exhibited by Old Testament God and it becomes abundantly clear that his EGO and self needs are greater than everyone else combined! So, fall in line, bow down, and do whatever he says or suffer the consequences. Christian teachings affirm that what Christ does for them is more important because without his saving powers they would otherwise be tossed into a lake of fire with unbelievers. Yes, the message of the New Testament is to accept Christ or be damned. The New Testament makes it clear that if one fails to take upon them name of Christ and confess his salvation then whatever else they might do for Christ sake (good works, acts of charity, etc.) has no heavenly reward.

I am not a Christian but appreciate some of the wise sayings and teachings of Christ which I interpret very differently than most Christians who think they have it all figured out.

Ten things Jesus said:

1. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16)
2. “do to others what you would have them do to you…” (Matthew 7:12)
3. “Love your neighbour as yourself” (Mark 12:31)
4. “with God all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26)
5. “the truth will set you free” (John 8:32)
6. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1)
7. “It is more blessed to give than to receive” (Acts 20:35)
8. “I am the light of the world” (John 8:12)
9. “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28)
10. “Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name…” (Matthew 6:9-13)

We have a babe in our midst. Let us know when you feel the need to have your diaper changed.

[LittleNipper]

Ten things Jesus said:

1. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16)
2. “do to others what you would have them do to you…” (Matthew 7:12)
3. “Love your neighbour as yourself” (Mark 12:31)
4. “with God all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26)
5. “the truth will set you free” (John 8:32)
6. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1)
7. “It is more blessed to give than to receive” (Acts 20:35)
8. “I am the light of the world” (John 8:12)
9. “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28)
10. “Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name…” (Matthew 6:9-13)

We have a babe in our midst. Let us know when you feel the need to have your diaper changed.

So, you see somehow that each of the above verses have an entirely different meaning than what is clearly written? Please enlighten me...

[msnobody]

Who are you asking this question to?

As a nonbeliever, I don’t believe in the biblical claims or the divinity of Christ as a Savior of mankind. But I suspect a wise man named Jesus once lived and early Christians perverted his teachings to whatever effect.

I believe everyone is equal and everyone is one. We are the ocean in a drop or a drop in the ocean -- take your pick. Nobody is any better or of more worth than anyone else.

To hell with the ego! I got rid of mine for now. It is very liberating.



All is one.

The question is primarily directed to those who hold to LDS doctrine. Since you don't believe in GOD, that would absolve you from having much of an opinion in this matter that is relevant.

Most everyone on the discussion board no longer holds a belief in the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-days Saints.

[Shulem]

"Logical" but inconsistent with the overwhelming empirical evidence. The same as an explaination to children how all the presents showed up under the Christmas tree. Eventually the kids grow up and out of the "baby story."

The Jesus Christmas story is supposed to supersede the Abrahamic and Mosaic stories of the Old Testament -- out with the Old and in with the New. In other words, brutal ritualistic sacrificing of animals is no longer required to get sins forgiven! Leave the animals alone because Christians have come up with something far more grand in the concept that God himself willingly comes down to put his own head under the chopping block. Christians are very much hung up on the concept of blood and God’s need to spill it.

And with that, presto, a new® religion affords everyone the opportunity to get sins forgiven so God doesn’t have to toss unrepentant (worthless) souls into a lake of fire and brimstone. Needless to say, I do not believe the Christian message or that of animal sacrifice performed by so-called prophets of the Bible. The whole thing is repulsive to me -- especially the part of the man Jesus being the final sacrifice. I think the whole concept is evil.

The world does not need the Christian religion anymore. It has run its course and more and more people are waking up and walking away from the charade.

Jesus is not coming back, not now and not ever. I can assure you that!