Shulem Cracked the Book of Mormon Code, the Land of Nephi is now revealed! See for yourself! The Golden Key!

[Shulem]

Brian Hales seems to think the quote "Mother Lucy Smith is on record about how her son often talked about the early inhabitants and how they lived" does not give Joseph a PHD equivalent knowledge that he demonstrated in the Book of Mormon. But that is Brian being Brian.

At this point we might as well recite said quote:

During our evening conversations, Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined: he would describe the ancient inhabitants of this continent; their dress, mode of travelling, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, and their buildings, with every particular; he would describe their mode of warfare, as also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life with them.

[Rivendale]

Brian Hales seems to think the quote "Mother Lucy Smith is on record about how her son often talked about the early inhabitants and how they lived" does not give Joseph a PHD equivalent knowledge that he demonstrated in the Book of Mormon. But that is Brian being Brian.

At this point we might as well recite said quote:

During our evening conversations, Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined: he would describe the ancient inhabitants of this continent; their dress, mode of travelling, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, and their buildings, with every particular; he would describe their mode of warfare, as also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life with them.

Here is what he says.

As documentation of Joseph Smith’s imagination and storytelling abilities, it is important not to inflate Lucy’s account. She did not relate that her son Joseph had just returned from college with a doctorate degree in composition and rhetoric having worked there as a professional storyteller for several years. It seems that telling stories in 1823 would no more guarantee that six years later he could dictate the Book of Mormon than finding a young man capable of drawing excellent stick figures at age 18 and then assuming by age 23 he could paint the Mona Lisa.

Here is his gory thesis. https://l.Facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A ... eMnU2__YYM

[Shulem]

it is important not to inflate Lucy’s account

Mother Smith was quite *emphatic* about what she was saying with regard to Joseph's story telling as an 18 year old boy. The preceding sentences of Lucy's account contain the following remarks:

"From this time forth, Joseph continued to receive instructions from the Lord; and we, to get the children together every evening for the purpose of listening while he imparted the same to the family."

"We were now confirmed in the opinion, that God was about to bring to light something upon which we could stay our minds; or, that would give us a more perfect knowledge of the plan of salvation."

[Shulem]

Here is a fine map of the United States that was readily available to the public at the very time young Joseph was conceiving his ideas for the book he planned to someday write.

United States of America by John Melish, published in Philadelphia in 1821
(note -- sometimes the link doesn't work so you might have to try back later)

Joseph Smith used this as his template in his mind's eye. Joseph envisioned Nephi sailing the ocean blue in a ship which he built with his own hands and made his way to the land of promise by a miracle of God, a land which is choice above all other lands. Smith imagined Lehi sailing into the Arabian Sea and then heading south into the Indian Ocean and making a hook around Africa. From there he sailed north into the Atlantic and made a straight line to the land of Promise.

Now, as Joseph spied the map he determined exactly where Lehi would land. Do you know where Lehi landed?

Right there in front of your eyes! Can you see it? Joseph's world was about to be transformed as if by magic and he would secretly determine the geography of the Book of Mormon!

Are you curious? Do you want to know more? Do you want to know what Joseph knew?

I know that I am being quite the tease, but this has to be done very delicately for my sake. I'm wanting to spill the beans just as I did with Solomon's 1005, if you can believe that.

[Shulem]

or write a novel.

[Moksha]

It is important to note that none of the ancient American inhabitants were described as being 6 ft tall and wearing Quaker dress. Joseph Smith reserved that description solely for the Moon People. Why were the Moon People taller than the average 19th Century Americans? They stressed good posture.

[malkie]

It is important to note that none of the ancient American inhabitants were described as being 6 ft tall and wearing Quaker dress. Joseph Smith reserved that description solely for the Moon People. Why were the Moon People taller than the average 19th Century Americans? They stressed good posture.

Lower gravity, of course.

And that's why the inhabitants of the sun were --- oh, never mind.

[huckelberry]

it is important not to inflate Lucy’s account

Mother Smith was quite *emphatic* about what she was saying with regard to Joseph's story telling as an 18 year old boy. The preceding sentences of Lucy's account contain the following remarks:

"From this time forth, Joseph continued to receive instructions from the Lord; and we, to get the children together every evening for the purpose of listening while he imparted the same to the family."

"We were now confirmed in the opinion, that God was about to bring to light something upon which we could stay our minds; or, that would give us a more perfect knowledge of the plan of salvation."

I find Hale's comments , well silly it could be said.

Shulem, I am shocked. I have not read the book you are referring to but have heard the bit about Joseph entertaining his family with his story telling. That seems to realistically fit Joseph. I have never seen the implication you make that his family started seeing his storytelling as divinely inspired before the Book of Mormon. Are you conflating comments about different times? If not the idea that Joseph's family treated his early stories as inspired shines a real light on the motivation for Joseph to use his imagination to extend his family expectation and the role they provided for him to fallow.

[Shulem]

When Joseph conceived the ideas he wanted for his book he knew that he would write about two civilizations to include the Nephites and the earlier Jaredites. This was his plan. The second civilization was dictated to Oliver near the end of the Book of Mormon novel. The existence of Jaredites are mentioned earlier in the story and was undoubtedly also mentioned in the missing manuscript that Martin Harris lost. But let's talk about the Nephites and *their* land of promise.

Lehi was the founder of the Nephite civilization. They disembarked on the land of promise and immediately went to work raising crops and making a homestead. The geography of the story makes it clear that it is the beginning of their land being also the southernmost part in which to move into the rest of the lands going northward. everything else was north or down into the land where it would continue. The land of Nephi was nearly surrounded by water from the sea east, sea west, and sea south. Going north was like going down into the land and into the continent. The sense of elevation is not literally a factor but is added to the story for special effect and to give the sense that Lehi's cradle or land is the upmost region at the end of the southern line. Everything else goes down -- north into the continent. Hence, the land of Nephi is at the end of the peninsula. Thus the land of Nephi was a southern land and Zarahemla was a little north but to go north was to go down from the original cradle in which Lehi founded. Here is a little of the narrative:

"flee out of the land of Nephi . . . until they came down into the land which is called the land of Zarahemla" . . . (bones lay scattered in the land northward)

"went up into the wilderness to return to the land of Nephi"

"Lamanites came down out of the land of Nephi"

"went up to dwell in the land of Lehi-Nephi, or in the city of Lehi-Nephi . . . go up to the land of Lehi-Nephi"

"went down into the land of Nephi . . . came up out of the land of Zarahemla to inherit this land"

etc

And so, do you know where the land of Nephi is? Would like me to tell you? Doing so will pop the apologetic balloon and knock Daniel C. Peterson off his feet and on his sorry ass.

[Dr Moore]

Shulem, are you looking at the MD/DE region?