Crazy Progressives watch thread

[huckelberry]

I will grant you that the extreme left (something like 15% of Democratic voters) are stupid nuts. The want to restrict free speech and have crazy, stupid stupid slogans like "defund the police."

I believe the "defund the police" slogan was the main reason why Democrats lost a few House seats from the November 2020 election.

As a progressive I would like to be clear that I support free speech . It is an essential part of a healthy society. I see it as a foundational principal of being liberal or progressive. It should be a basic principal if you are conservative in any American sense of the word. I also think the slogan "defund the police" is a stupid slogan and a bad idea. It is not happening.

[canpakes]

The modern day progressives of today that I'm talking about are Democrats who are try to push the 1619 initiative and critical race theory. In my opinion, critical race theory is mental slavery. No matter how you want to explain what critical race theory is, or what it's trying to accomplish, ultimately, what upsets me about critical race theory the most is the fact that it places a new born baby just plopping out of the birth canal in one of two categories, the baby is either an oppreser or it's oppressed, all based on the color of the babies skin. It's a form of modern day slavery.

If your definitions are politically contrived or incorrect, your conclusions might also be.

Interesting article here -

https://apple.news/A-Wnaisu8R6qmp_dF4h5sfQ

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Which progressive said this?

On being questioned about his well-to-do upbringing:

“You’re a trust fund baby, are you not?” the host asked.

“Oh completely, I’ve never needed to work, yeah,” xxx said. “I mean it’s all just — the whole cable news thing … it was just like a phase I was going through.” xxx joked about growing up in a 'castle', saying that one thing you learn when you “look out across the moat every day at the hungry peasants in the village” is that “you don’t wanna stoke envy among the proletariat.”

“But see, I’m an out-of-the-closet elitist, I don’t run around pretending to be a man of the people; I’m absolutely not a man of the people, at all.”

- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Which "progressive organization" asks this?



How crazy is it for an adult man to ask a young child in a closed office if she had an orgasm?

- Doc

[huckelberry]

Doc, I am lost on your trust fund baby. the rhythm of words sound a bit like Trump but I am not fitting him to the specifics? stint with cable news?

So.... who do we have here? There really seem to be more possibilities than one. "don't want to stoke envy of the proletariat" Fancy word compared to Trump's normal sound. Maybe he is careful not to use fancy words for his followers.

On the other hand it may not be impossible for it to be from some progressive politician.

[Gunnar]

The modern day progressives of today that I'm talking about are Democrats who are try to push the 1619 initiative and critical race theory. In my opinion, critical race theory is mental slavery. No matter how you want to explain what critical race theory is, or what it's trying to accomplish, ultimately, what upsets me about critical race theory the most is the fact that it places a new born baby just plopping out of the birth canal in one of two categories, the baby is either an oppreser or it's oppressed, all based on the color of the babies skin. It's a form of modern day slavery.

If your definitions are politically contrived or incorrect, your conclusions might also be.

Interesting article here -

https://apple.news/A-Wnaisu8R6qmp_dF4h5sfQ

Thanks for posting that, canpakes. From what little I have read about the controversy over critical race theory, and what I remember of what I have learned about history, particularly about racial conflict and inequities, I already was inclining towards the conclusion that conservatives' criticisms of critical race theory (particularly political conservatives) largely mischaracterize what it really is about, for their own selfish ends. The article you posted seems to confirm that conclusion. Though this country has accomplished some great things in its history and has incredible potential to benefit the whole world generally, we can't honestly or reasonably deny that we have also done some rather deplorable things, and that our history and culture has been too often tainted by racism, bigotry and inequality, despite our often stated and admirably high ideals. We have gotten better over the years, but we still have long way to go to remove that taint. It often appears to me that Trump and what passes for current Republican leadership are doing their darnedest to set back the progress we have heretofore made in removing it.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Doc, I am lost on your trust fund baby. the rhythm of words sound a bit like Trump but I am not fitting him to the specifics? stint with cable news?

So.... who do we have here? There really seem to be more possibilities than one. "don't want to stoke envy of the proletariat" Fancy word compared to Trump's normal sound. Maybe he is careful not to use fancy words for his followers.

On the other hand it may not be impossible for it to be from some progressive politician.

You were close! It was Cucker Carlson.

- Doc

[canpakes]

I already was inclining towards the conclusion that conservatives' criticisms of critical race theory (particularly political conservatives) largely mischaracterize what it really is about, for their own selfish ends.

You are correct.

[Atlanticmike]

The modern day progressives of today that I'm talking about are Democrats who are try to push the 1619 initiative and critical race theory. In my opinion, critical race theory is mental slavery. No matter how you want to explain what critical race theory is, or what it's trying to accomplish, ultimately, what upsets me about critical race theory the most is the fact that it places a new born baby just plopping out of the birth canal in one of two categories, the baby is either an oppreser or it's oppressed, all based on the color of the babies skin. It's a form of modern day slavery.

Atlanticmike, Learning about history and Americas slavery is painful. I suppose it is easier just to not learn it and stick with Aunt Jemima. It takes a bit of emotional maturity to deal with the history of the United States. It is sometimes inspiring and sometimes sickening. That is the real world. I can understand a view that first graders should not be troubled by the ugly realities of American use of slavery and the brutality which has been visited upon black Americans. But as we grow we become emotionally more mature. Part of that maturing process is exposure to problems and things which do not fit our expectations.

critical race theory is much like pre 1978 Mormonism in that it helps you define someone within just a few seconds solely based off their skin color. Again, critical race theory teaches if someone is born with a "darker" skin color, they are automatically labeled a victim and more than likely will live their life feeling like a victim no matter how much progress is made. It's without a doubt a form of mental slavery.
Huckleberry, if a fringe group from the right started making headway at convincing people we would be better off segregating our selves into groups based on color again, I would stand up and denounce their insane beliefs. You seem like a smart individual, are you telling me you don't believe the left also has fringe groups in its ranks? You do realize fascism can be found at the fringe of the far right but also the far left??? In your above statement you talked about emotional maturity. Part of being emotionally mature is understanding when someone who might share your political beliefs puts forth a "theory", that doesn't mean it's automatically the best way forward. Some of the worst wars fought in modern history were fought because people were convinced that a certain "theory" was correct then followed it blindly, usually out of fear, but also because most people can't stand being told the way they're living is wrong.
critical race theory is mental bondage based off skin color. It's wrong to slap a label on someone when they're born soley based on skin color. I hope you're not agreeing with it just because it's a theory that is being pushed by the left. I suggest you check your pride at the door and reevaluate if you've gone to far down the rabbit hole my friend. Mormonism and hi demand religions aren't the only groups that are able to mentally enslave you. You do realize throughout human history governments have put forth certain theories that have turned out to be disastrous don't you? If you care about minorities, help me push back on critical race theory so they don't have to forced to believe they are less than.

[Gunnar]

A prime example of the mischaracterization of critical race theory that canpakes, the article he linked to, and I were just talking about.

Look; there is no reasonable doubt about the fact that racism has too often tainted our government policies and and American culture, and there are still lingering adverse consequences to that. It is both dishonest and damaging to try to whitewash that and pretend it is no longer a problem that needs addressing. I read the article canpakes provided and have read other critical discussions about it, and it is clear that it is not about shaming little white children merely for being white, nor is it about all whites being inherently evil or that any other races or groups are necessarily blameless. It is not even presented to elementary school children, though there is frank and open discussion of it in higher academia. We simply can't honestly dismiss the fact that there are still lingering issues of unfair and unequal treatment based on racial differences and profiling that are still problematic. Nor can we in good conscience ignore the obviously deliberate efforts of conservatives to make it harder for racial and ethnic minorities (who tend to vote democrat) to vote.

It is easy to see, though, why white supremacists or white nationalists (which I am not accusing you of being, by the way) would be all up in arms about it.