Vaccines and Therapeutics 2.0 & 3.0 Merge

[canpakes]

Help me out here. Are your chances of contracting COVID reduced if everyone is vaccinated? Are your chances of a severe reaction or death reduced if so?

Well your chances of getting it from an unvaccinated person is zero in that scenario. Let’s cross our fingers for that outcome.

Are your chances of contracting COVID reduced if everyone is vaccinated? Are your chances of a severe reaction or death reduced if so?

[canpakes]

Are your chances of contracting COVID reduced if everyone is vaccinated? Are your chances of a severe reaction or death reduced if so?

The evidence so far says that these are the right questions to be asking. You are good to ask them. I like it.

You’re unable to give an opinion? This is a first. : D

Are your chances of contracting COVID reduced if everyone is vaccinated? Are your chances of a severe reaction or death reduced if so?

[canpakes]

You’re unable to give an opinion? This is a first. : D

Are your chances of contracting COVID reduced if everyone is vaccinated? Are your chances of a severe reaction or death reduced if so?

Well we know that if everyone is vaccinated then nobody can get it at all from unvaccinated people. My chances are changed by the vaccine but my doctor didn't know how much.

Cool. Let’s say that everyone gets vaccinated. Are your chances of contracting COVID reduced if everyone is vaccinated? Are your chances of a severe reaction or death reduced if so?

[canpakes]

Cool. Let’s say that everyone gets vaccinated. Are your chances of contracting COVID reduced if everyone is vaccinated? Are your chances of a severe reaction or death reduced if so?

My doctor would not say what the numbers were. I asked the same questions you are asking. We are on the same page except that I believe that when we are all vaccinated we can't get anything from the unvaccinated people.

Cool. Maybe you got vaccinated. Maybe not. Would that decision be based on your own opinion that your chances of contracting COVID is reduced if everyone is vaccinated? Maybe that your chances of a severe reaction or death reduced if so?

[canpakes]

My decisions are not based on the same factors as others' decisions including people living in my household.

Regarding other people living in your household, was your decision to be vaccinated based on your own opinion that your chances of contracting COVID is reduced if everyone is vaccinated? Maybe that your chances of a severe reaction or death are reduced if so? And maybe that those factors could protect other members in your household?

[canpakes]

Regarding other people living in your household, was your decision to be vaccinated based on your own opinion that your chance of contracting COVID is reduced if everyone is vaccinated? Maybe that your chances of a severe reaction or death are reduced if so? And maybe that those factors could protect other members in your household?

Heck yeah. All those are questions we all have to ask. We are all alike like that.

I guess that if we all have to ask them, then you’d be able to tell me if your decision to be vaccinated is based on your own opinion that your chances of contracting COVID is reduced if everyone is vaccinated, and that your chances of a severe reaction or death are reduced if so.

Do you believe that your chances of contracting COVID are reduced if everyone is vaccinated, and that your chances of a severe reaction or death are reduced if so?

: D

[Jersey Girl]

You couldn't pay me enough to be an administrator right now. The principal in this just breaks my heart. People generally don't understand the heart and minds of a teacher or administrator. I spoke to an elementary teacher last week. She had picked up a summer job at Kirkland's. We had a nice conversation in which I commiserated with her as someone who will field the questions and be confronted with angry and divisive parents, and confused children. Before I left I told her I would pray for her. She said she would really appreciate it.


States move to ban mask mandates in schools as children get ready to go back to class
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn2jrLDauu8

[Chap]

Tennessee radio host doubted and mocked vaccines – now he has Covid

Phil Valentine’s family urges listeners to get the shot
Host sang ‘Vaxman’ Beatles parody and touted choice

I hope I will be believed when I say that I am actually sorry for this guy.

He was 61. He earned his living as a host on a conservative radio station. Whatever he thought, if he wanted to keep his job, and presumably his health care plan, he had to continue to please his audiences, many of whom would certainly be anti-vaxxers. Anything else (probably including being vaccinated himself) was not an option unless he wanted to be unemployed. But one day his luck ran out. No doubt there are others like him, wondering if that cough is the start of something ... but what can they do?

A conservative radio host in Tennessee who urged listeners not to get vaccinated against Covid-19 has changed track and called on listeners to get the shot, after contracting the virus and ending up in hospital in “very serious condition”.

In a statement posted to social media, Phil Valentine’s family detailed his condition and said: “Please continue to pray for his recovery and PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!”

The family also said the WTN host had “never been an ‘anti-vaxer’”, but “regrets not being more vehemently ‘pro-vaccine’ and looks forward to being able to more vigorously advocate that position as soon as he is back on the air, which we all hope will be soon”.

Valentine, 61, did, however, play down the need for vaccines and perform a song called Vaxman, to the tune of Taxman, George Harrison’s Beatles number against government taxation.

“Let me tell you how it will be,” he sang, “and I don’t care if you agree, ‘Cause I’m the Vaxman, yeah I’m the Vaxman. If you don’t like me coming round, be thankful I don’t hold you down.”

As the Delta variant of the coronavirus fuels steep rises in cases across the US, rural and mostly Republican-run states trail in vaccination numbers and have emerged as hotspots for infection, straining health resources.

Republican politicians and influential rightwing broadcasters including Fox News hosts have begun to call for people to get the shot.

[Gunnar]

Do yourself a favor and stop using cursory reads of this board to bluff your way through your posts. It's lazy as F and people know it when they see it.

We all good Jersey Girl? You don't seem happy. This place gets a little wounded when someone doesn't like Doc's fantasies about who is sucking what penis and how and why. One moment we are having a conversation about vaccines and viruses and treatments and then this guy decides to start reading off his erotica and pretending to hear dialogue in his head and everything goes off. It really is a common thing among exmos to lose their bearings a bit. Happens more than we want to admit.

Cursory reads? Thanks for the heads up. Now I know. How would you know if I had not read every page of every thread?

I have difficulty sometimes figuring out what to make of you. You often seem quite reasonable and sympathetic, but this post is an example of the style of posting that makes some of us suspect you might be a subgenius sock puppet. To see what we mean, look up some of his past posts.

[Chap]

‘Seriously ill’ young people in current Covid admissions, expert warns

‘We have had people under 30 in intensive care,’ says Prof Adam Finn of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation

The UK situation outlined below is particularly sad, since many of these young people have been given the idea that they are invulnerable.

What is the US situation like in this regard at the moment?

Young people are getting “seriously ill” from Covid-19, a member of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation has warned, as he urged them to get vaccinated.

Prof Adam Finn, from the University of Bristol, said there have been close to 200 admissions, with a mean age of 40, in the city during the Delta variant wave. England’s remaining Covid restrictions were eased on Monday and pictures of crowded nightclubs, filled with revellers not wearing masks or social distancing, have raised fears among some experts that infections could surge among unvaccinated young people.

Speaking on LBC on Sunday, Finn said: “We have had people under 30 on our intensive care unit and also requiring high-level oxygen therapy.

“This is not always trivial in young adults. There are younger people really getting seriously ill at the moment, so that’s one good reason to think about having the vaccine.

“But the other one is, these vaccines now, it’s clear, do reduce the risk of not only getting the infection but passing it on to other people.

“Getting immunised is going to reduce the risk of spreading this infection around amongst young people and enable them to get back to normal.”

While young people are generally at lower risk from Covid, experts have warned that some nevertheless become very ill and can develop long Covid.

The latest data from the Office for National Statistics shows that the coronavirus in England is now largely an infection among young adults, with cases in 16- to 24-year-olds almost six times more common than in 50- to 69-year-olds.

From the end of September, people in England will be required to have domestic vaccine passports – showing they have had two Covid jabs – in order to enter nightclubs, as well as for what are described as “other venues where large crowds gather”. Additionally, the government is considering making them mandatory for events with more than 20,000 attendees, including Premier League football matches, from October.

However, Finn questioned whether such an approach would work. “It has to be done really quite carefully, he said.

“If people begin to feel they are being kind of forced against their will to do something, then in a sense that’s quite a damaging thing to do because it gives people the impression [that] vaccination is something being imposed on them from outside.

“Nudging can be done, but it has to be done in a way that people don’t feel that [they] are being pushed into something they don’t want to do.”