Vaccines and Therapeutics 2.0 & 3.0 Merge

[Jersey Girl]

Washington Post: CDC Document Warns Delta Variant Spreads Like Chickenpox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVB4W9FoVNw

Good commentary particularly from Dr.Vin Gupta. About the messaging. We are well and truly screwed. This is what's got people so confused, though the anti-vaxxer crowd really just found a new shiny object to focus their attention on.

Does anyone think that we need to improve curriculum in our schools?

People don't understand how a virus spreads?
People don't understand what a pandemic is?
People don't understand what a health department does?
What the CDC does, the WHO, and how the freaking government functions?
How the scientific method works?
What critical thinking is?
A primary resource?
What clinical trials involve?

Kill me with this crap already.

[Jersey Girl]

Send me to outer darkness. Just do it.

You mean the outer darkness forum?

All those points you made about nuance and black and white are BS, Res.

Didn't I tell you to get on the horse and ride? Stay in the saddle, ride. Stop throwing yourself off the horse.

Jersey G, if your father needed heart surgery in October when the surge hits for both vaccinated and unvaccinated citizens how would you select a hospital for his surgery and post op recovery, including ICU care?

Oh my father? First of all, I'd have to have the power to raise the dead.* That said, I wouldn't be the one choosing the hospital site for surgery. The surgeon would choose it based on what hospital that surgeon has been granted privileges by the hospital administration itself.

It doesn't work the way you think it works.

*And in that case, I'd want to check to see if the footprints are still on his grave before I let anyone dig him up before I could try to resurrect him.

[Jersey Girl]

Y'all are sensitive.

No. We're particular. Most of us expect you to follow a dialogue through several exchanges and those on other threads...at the same time. If we pose a question to you, we expect a direct answer to just that question. If we make a reply to you, it will be only to you.

Not two people in the same response which is what you are doing to RI and myself. Stop that crap and show some regard for the people who have attempted to engage you.

Jersey. Do you have any other criteria beyond masking or vaccination that would indicate that one hospital is safer than another, or that a grocery is safe or not, or that one school is safer than another?

See the thread you are posting on? Note the date of the OP. This thread has been ongoing for nearly a year now. It's actually a continuation of a previous thread on our old board. You are posting on the 4th version of MDB. I'm telling you this because I want you to know that I have stated my opinion on safeguards re: Covid numerous times.

One of the problems that you have is that you don't read the board. You don't actually examine what is going on. You try to create your own alternate reality while you ignore what has actually taken place. It's the same thing as when you level criticism at Cam. Everyone here knows his posting history and his personality, so when you level the criticisms you have the rest us have pegged you going in as a troll, a sloppy thinker, a careless person. That sort of thing.

Now. I will once more, do for you what you so far have failed to do for me. Respond on point to your inquiry.

Do you have any other criteria beyond masking or vaccination that would indicate that one hospital is safer than another, or that a grocery is safe or not, or that one school is safer than another?

Yes. I expect all public places to abide by CDC guidelines with regard to masking, social distancing, sanitizing and disinfecting practices. That includes disinfecting shopping carts, making masks available where possible, hand sanitizers, sanitizing wipes for shopping carts to be doubly sure we are touching a germ free surface or airline seats--places we touch as human beings. I would like to see no touch bathrooms in all public places even though there are plenty. At this point, I expect to see the social distancing markers restored in public places. The plexiglass shields remain, why not the floor markers?

I want to see adults learn the very same health practices that I have taught to children. If children can learn what to do, so can their (screwed up) adults.

If I missed anything, let me know.

[Jersey Girl]

Understand very well. What was the nuance in this thread and what parsing was so offensive?

Will you damned stop it? This is a topical thread. See the sign at the top? See where it says--->Vaccines and Therapeutics? That's the topic. Stop driving it off topic into your stupid crap derailments. As I stated previously there are no specific rules against trolling on this board. Derailments are another thing entirely.

[Jersey Girl]

Washington Post: CDC Document Warns Delta Variant Spreads Like Chickenpox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVB4W9FoVNw

Good commentary particularly from Dr.Vin Gupta. About the messaging. We are well and truly screwed. This is what's got people so confused, though the anti-vaxxer crowd really just found a new shiny object to focus their attention on.

Does anyone think that we need to improve curriculum in our schools?

People don't understand how a virus spreads?
People don't understand what a pandemic is?
People don't understand what a health department does?
What the CDC does, the WHO, and how the freaking government functions?
How the scientific method works?
What critical thinking is?
A primary resource?
What clinical trials involve?

Kill me with this crap already.

What people? Seems like a whole lot of stereotyping.

Are you damned 12 or something?

You could have commented on the video content.
You could have commented on the messaging issue.
You could have commented on the state of today's educational institutions re: curriculum and the deficiencies I listed.

Stereotyping? You are fast becoming the stereotype of every immature troll whose frontal lobe hasn't kicked in yet.

[Jersey Girl]

That is a whole lot of funny stuff.

Pancakes, grow up and be your own man.

Jersey, the CDC is not what you think. Floor markers, plexiglass and masks are small contributors to the safety of a building.

Res. you're good. Best writer in Paradise by a lot. But you're full of your own crap too.

And just for fun. Doc Cam may have a style. But he also has a reputation and he is a bigot, even if he is your favorite bigot. that's for you, Res. Laugh.

Pancake, Be your own man. Do it.

I am making an end around. Still making it. Res busted me, FTW.

The topic of this thread is Vaccines and Therapeutics.

[Jersey Girl]

CDC is full of crap on vaccines and therawhatever and masks and safety in schools and on Doc Cam. They are tools.

Oh hell no.

[Jersey Girl]

Oh you people!

[canpakes]

[Res Ipsa]

I think the lesson of large parts of the last seven pages (which I have just skimmed) is that if someone seems to be devoting their energies to the task of distracting others from discussion of what is actually the case, and of the evidence relating thereto, it might be best simply to shrug, say 'whatever' and ignore them - then to go on to post something about a substantive issue relating to the thread topic.

Of course people are free to amuse themselves as they see fit. The above is just my personal view.

I think that’s always a reasonable approach. Sometimes I try out different approaches to try and get the troll to drop the BS and have an actual conversation. I’d grade the results this time as F. Ah well. Hope springs eternal.