Vaccines and Therapeutics 2.0 & 3.0 Merge

[Icarus]

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[Themis]

So a vaccine causes the virus to mutate

No vaccines do not cause a virus to mutate. Mutations are what naturally happen with virus's, as well as all life. Replication is a major source of mutation, but not the only source of mutations.

[canpakes]

Here’s a fun story for the day:

A hospital physician in Missouri says people are disguising themselves to receive the COVID-19 shot in secret so that they don’t face backlash from vaccine-hesitant family and friends.

Dr. Priscilla Frase, the chief medical information officer at Ozarks Healthcare in West Plains, said in a video released by the organization this week how one pharmacist leading its vaccine effort told her of several people “who have tried to sort of disguise their appearance” while getting the shot.

They’ve even gone “so far as to say, ‘Please, please, please don’t let anybody know that I got this vaccine. I don’t want my friends to know. But I don’t want to get COVID. I want to get the vaccine,’” Frase said in the clip.

Frase told CNN’s Anderson Cooper on Thursday that the people she was talking about “had some experience that’s sort of changed their mind” in spite of what family, friends or co-workers think, “and they came to their own decision that they wanted to get a vaccine.”

“They did their own research on it, and they talked to people and made the decisions themselves,” Frase continued. “But even though they were able to make that decision for themselves, they didn’t want to have to deal with the peer pressure or the outbursts from other people about them, ‘Giving in to everything.’”

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_6103 ... ENEWS00001

[canpakes]

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Looks like eschewing the vaccine can have its own side effects.

A Las Vegas man has died of COVID-19 after declining to get the vaccine, leaving behind his fiancée and their five children.

Michael Freedy, 39, died of COVID-19 after contracting the disease while on vacation in San Diego, California, with his fiancée, Jessica DuPreez, and their five children — ages 17, 10, 7, 6 and 17 months. Freedy told DuPreez that he regretted not getting the vaccine just before his death.

DuPreez and Freedy had been waiting to see any possible effects of the vaccine before getting it for themselves. While hospitalized with a severe case of COVID-19, Feedy texted his fiancée, "I should have gotten the damn vaccine."

DuPreez told FOX5 Las Vegas that she and Freedy "wanted to wait just one year from the release to see what effects people had, but there was never any intention to not get it." Now, she said that she and her oldest child have both been vaccinated, and she will always regret not having gotten the shot earlier.

She added, "He is only 39. Our babies now don't have a dad. You can't say I am young and it won't affect me because it will."

Freedy initially mistook his COVID-19 case for sun poisoning, but tested positive for the virus after experiencing chills, lack of appetite and trouble sleeping. After being sent home from the hospital after his diagnosis, Freedy's condition sharply declined.

In a GoFundMe account created for her late fiancé, DuPreez said Freedy was "miserable" after testing positive, was "beside himself" in pain and feeling "scared." When Freedy experienced dizziness and trouble breathing, she brought him back to the hospital, where doctors found pneumonia in his lungs and placed Freedy on oxygen.

Once admitted to the hospital, Freedy spent days on breathing machines and in the ICU before his death Thursday. "Hug your loved ones. Because it turned so fast," Dupreez wrote in a GoFundMe update. "And I would give practically anything to hear Mike say my name and hug me and be able to tell him I love him more than ever."

[Themis]

People who are vaccinated become hosts that are more susceptible to the post mutation than the pre mutation.

Certain mutations may cause a virus to bypass some of the immunity a host has developed from vaccines or from natural infection from what you call the pre mutation. Good news is that both groups will still do much better than those who have not been vaccinated and have not yet been infected by the virus. The advantage of the vaccine is you don't have to take the chance of dying or suffering from the disease, or suffering long term health affects. Unfortunately too many un-vaccinated allow the virus's numbers to remain high and allow more mutations until you get ones that are better at infecting us and may be more deadly. So yes, those who refuse to get vaccinated contribute a lot more to a virus's survival.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Why is this still having to be explained to people? It’s absurd.

- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Huh. Weird that Jersey Girl didn’t want to go to Florida.

- Doc

[Chap]

Certain mutations may cause a virus to bypass some of the immunity a host has developed from vaccines or from natural infection from what you call the pre mutation. Good news is that both groups will still do much better than those who have not been vaccinated and have not yet been infected by the virus. The advantage of the vaccine is you don't have to take the chance of dying or suffering from the disease, or suffering long term health affects. Unfortunately too many un-vaccinated allow the virus's numbers to remain high and allow more mutations until you get ones that are better at infecting us and may be more deadly. So yes, those who refuse to get vaccinated contribute a lot more to a virus's survival.

Why is this still having to be explained to people? It’s absurd.

- Doc

Well, there are people out there who don't want other people to see this point. The reason for that is that for ideological reasons they dislike anything that undermines the view that the sole guide for an individual's actions should be the likes or perceived personal benefit of that individual alone.

Themis's point amounts to saying to people 'If you do not get vaccinated, then there is a good chance that you will at least suffer an unsymptomatic infection of the COVID virus. That may not harm you, but you may allow a mutation of the virus that will harm others who are infected by it.' That amounts to saying that even people who don't care about getting ill themselves (or believe that they will not suffer serious illness if they do) still have an obligation to get vaccinated for the benefit of others.

Thus every time Themis's point is made some people will do their best to obscure it, distract from it, tell lies to contradict it, and ... do or say whatever they think might stop too many people getting it.

So it has to be explained over and over again.

[Chap]

In a previous post, I said:

Themis's point amounts to saying to people 'If you do not get vaccinated, then there is a good chance that you will at least suffer an unsymptomatic infection of the COVID virus. That may not harm you, but you may allow a mutation of the virus that will harm others who are infected by it.' That amounts to saying that even people who don't care about getting ill themselves (or believe that they will not suffer serious illness if they do) still have an obligation to get vaccinated for the benefit of others.

It is objectively the case that if you refrain from taking steps to limit the spread of the virus, such as getting vaccinated (which greatly reduces the chance that you will pass it on to others), you are failing to take action that would reduce the chance of the virus being allowed to mutate, and eventually to harm others.

Deciding not to get vaccinated therefore amounts to deciding that other people may suffer harm because of your choice.

If 'good' or 'bad' have any meaning apart from 'I like that' or 'I don't like that', then taking such a such a decision simply because you don't care what happens to others is morally bad.

[Themis]

In a previous post, I said:

Themis's point amounts to saying to people 'If you do not get vaccinated, then there is a good chance that you will at least suffer an unsymptomatic infection of the COVID virus. That may not harm you, but you may allow a mutation of the virus that will harm others who are infected by it.' That amounts to saying that even people who don't care about getting ill themselves (or believe that they will not suffer serious illness if they do) still have an obligation to get vaccinated for the benefit of others.

It is objectively the case that if you refrain from taking steps to limit the spread of the virus, such as getting vaccinated (which greatly reduces the chance that you will pass it on to others), you are failing to take action that would reduce the chance of the virus being allowed to mutate, and eventually to harm others.

Deciding not to get vaccinated therefore amounts to deciding that other people may suffer harm because of your choice.

If 'good' or 'bad' have any meaning apart from 'I like that' or 'I don't like that', then taking such a such a decision simply because you don't care what happens to others is morally bad.

Cultellus's post you are referring to was just a personal attack with no basis in truth about what I have said. It doesn't interest me and is only meant to get me into some back and forth throwing of insults that I see this person doing with others. I have better things to do, but don't mind posting about some claims I consider false but important in how people may think and believe. If anyone wants to challenge my claims as false or inaccurate I don't mind, as long as they can provide good arguments backed by evidence. I would rather be proved wrong so I can alter how I think and believe to a more accurate understanding of the world.