Vaccines and Therapeutics 2.0 & 3.0 Merge

[Themis]

Launching a mass vaccine effort on a mutating virus in the middle of a pandemic is risky and unpredictable.

In what way is it risky and unpredictable? Also why say mutating when all virus's mutate. All life that has either RNA or DNA mutates as well.

[Icarus]

No vaccines do not cause a virus to mutate. Mutations are what naturally happen with virus's, as well as all life. Replication is a major source of mutation, but not the only source of mutations.

Vaccines do not cause a mutation. People who are vaccinated become hosts that are more susceptible to the post mutation than the pre mutation. “F” it. Nevermind. Blame unvaccinated. Can only be their fault.

And it is. The data is perfectly clear on this. This upsets you because the majority of the idiots who refuse vaccinations are your fellow Republicans. But it is what it is, might as well just accept it.

If even 90% of the country were vaccinated we'd have herd immunity. Vaccinations were skyrocketing between January and May, but then began to plateau at 45% once the majority of educated Liberals got vaccinated (grin). As already demonstrated, the Republican propaganda outlets have been spreading anti-vax disinformation ever since they caught wind of the fact that Biden was trying to meet his July 4th goal. They were willing to kill off their own base just to stick it to Biden and now they're fighting against masks and other mitigation measures that science has shown to work. They're literally doing precisely what they were accusing Democrats of doing a year ago. They said Democrats wanted to crash the economy using mask mandates so it would hurt Trump. In reality, Democrats have remained consistent and will support what the science tells us.

Here is what happens when someone with a brain shows up on FOX News top discuss an important issue. They're immediately shouted down and the interview abruptly ends because, "out of time." Yeah, sure Laura. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25hTBsQBm6w

FOX News is actually telling their millions of gullible sheeple that they have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT not to wear a mask in private establishments and on private airlines. Weird how they were willing to imprison folks for spreading HIV back during the 80's because they figured it was just gay people who got it. Now suddenly they're unwilling to do minimal things like wear a damned mask to save lives. And they recklessly run around unvaccinated in groups spreading COVID because,... "Freedom." damned morons. How about the freedom to get on an airline knowing it is safe?

[Icarus]

Seems just like yesterday when FOX News and Right Wingers on social media were bragging about Florida's handling of COVID.

Florida Breaks Record For COVID-19 Hospitalizations

[Themis]

Simple. The vaccine targeted the alpha variant. With mutations, the next variant was unknown and the vaccine can accelerate a mutation or leave the host vulnerable to a different mutation.

How does a vaccine accelerate a mutation, and how does that differ from natural immunity we get from surviving a virus?

by the way hosts are already vulnerable to different mutations without a need of a vaccine. Un-vaccinated people are far more vulnerable to the delta variant than vaccinated people who still get good protection from it.

[Themis]

They were willing to kill off their own base just to stick it to Biden and now they're fighting against masks and other mitigation measures that science has shown to work.

It may be interesting to see how this plays out as more republican voters are dying compared to democratic voters.

[canpakes]

… the vaccine can accelerate a mutation or leave the host vulnerable to a different mutation.

How does a vaccine accelerate a mutation, and how does that differ from natural immunity we get from surviving a virus?

by the way hosts are already vulnerable to different mutations without a need of a vaccine. Un-vaccinated people are far more vulnerable to the delta variant than vaccinated people who still get good protection from it.

Holy crap. Where does he get this stuff?

1. How does the vaccine ‘accelerate’ mutation, as opposed to a variant merely occurring and reproducing as normal?

2. How does a rational person fault a vaccine for not protecting against a strain of virus that it wasn't engineered to protect against?

(Themis, Cultellus isn’t going to answer you. He’s going to dodge and change to another question. Rinse and repeat.)

[Jersey Girl]

Biden is hauling vaccinated ass inasmuch as he can. Hoping the tide turns as some states and privately owned establishments are taking matters into their own hands. Get a moooove on!

C­N­N­ ­A­n­d­e­r­s­o­n­ ­C­o­o­p­e­r­ ­3­6­0 8/1/21 | CNN Breaking News Aug 1, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttGo8tk2mn8

[Jersey Girl]

Reported number of new vaccinations today. I think folks are either running scared of the Delta variant or getting in compliance with employer demands.

661,884

[Jersey Girl]

Huh. Weird that Jersey Girl didn’t want to go to Florida.

- Doc

De Santis is a murderous “F”. He's now holding the children of his own state hostage to his reckless conduct. He's going to withhold state funding from schools that want to require masks under their roof. damned extortionist.

[Themis]

This all says and means nothing. There is nothing to work with here Themis. Are you being purposefully obtuse, again?

I asked a simple question based on your assertions, which are false.You got nothing because you cannot back up your false assertions. I can't back them up for you, you have to do that.

If the vaccine targets the alpha but not the delta then the delta will ride shotgun and the alpha will not. The more or less vulnerable argument may or may not be true, we do not know.

Actually it was made for the wild type or original strain. Alpha is the name for the variant first seen in the UK. Your sentence above makes no sense. The vaccine has a high degree of protection for all strains including the delta, even if it is the lowest. The mRNA vaccines are better at protecting from future infections than the getting the virus itself. They don't cause the virus to mutate. It mutates on it's own. Mutations are important for virus's to try and get by a host's immunity, whether it got that immunity from a vaccine or from natural infection. I just prefer to get that immunity from a vaccine rather than risk death, suffering and potential long term health problems.