Vaccines and Therapeutics 2.0 & 3.0 Merge

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:14 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:48 pm
The young have now switched places with the elderly in terms of being the most vulnerable.
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I can't manage a lengthy reply to the above. I had a visceral reaction to it on first read. I will say this much.

This country made an all hands on deck effort to vaccinate the elderly along with essential workers as first priority.

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Cultellus wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:45 am
What I mean is that despite the vaccine, the virus is spreading. It is spreading among vaccinated and unvaccinated. Not complete prevention.
No one promised complete prevention, especially when vaccinations rates are too low to achieve herd immunity atm.
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Themis wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:23 am
Cultellus wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:45 am
What I mean is that despite the vaccine, the virus is spreading. It is spreading among vaccinated and unvaccinated. Not complete prevention.
No one promised complete prevention, especially when vaccinations rates are too low to achieve herd immunity atm.
Don’t forget to mention that even with already preventing some infections, the vaccine seems to greatly reduce the odds of a severe infection, if contracted.

Our crew of anti-vaxxers (I think we’re down to one) never wants to talk about that part. Because they don’t have a reason why they’re avoiding the vaccine anyway, let alone have the ability to address that fact. They’re just here to spread disinformation.
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Where does Cam find jokers like this Dave Alvord joker anyway?

I had a bit of good news. I'd heard from a third party that a relative and family was sick with Covid and I became very concerned. I'd avoided any discussions of masks and vaccines because as TBMs, it's a dice roll what they believe and I'd given it only 50-50 that they'd accept reality.

I eventually got in touch and found out it probably wasn't Covid and that the adult family members were fully vaccinated. I was also told that they wear masks to church, despite the fact they get their fair share of dirty looks from unhinged Trump supporters. I wonder if Ajax gives dirty looks to fellow Saints who wear masks? Although I'm anticipating he'll say that nobody in his ward wears mask and most aren't vaccinated, and nobody has gotten sick from Coronavirus.
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Cultellus wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:24 am

Right. So people are expected to get a vaccine that not everyone is going to get and that will not prevent infection. I get it.
False. It prevents infection in most vaccinated people, and most who do get sick only get mildly sick. This is how vaccines have saved 100's of millions of lives over the last century.
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Officials in Mississippi said hospitals across the state are struggling to cope with the surge of new COVID cases in unvaccinated patients who have contracted the Delta variant.

Leaders at the University of Mississippi Medical Center (UMMC) said they are seeing more and more people under the age of 50 and children being hospitalized after contracting the virus.

The rise in new cases is putting a strain on health systems in Mississippi, with officials stating on Wednesday that there were only six ICU beds available throughout the state, reported WJTV.

"We are at this moment over capacity," Dr. LouAnn Woodward, UMMC's COVID-19 incident commander, said during a press conference.

"We have been over capacity here at the medical center most of the summer, honestly. It almost starts to feel like a new normal, but it's not."

As well as the lack of beds, hospitals are also struggling to treat the surge of new COVID patients due to a lack of staff, as nurses and doctors also get infected.

Alan Jones, associate vice chancellor for clinical affairs and COVID-19 clinical response leader, said that the UMMC had to close a 15-bed unit with a further 14 ICU beds not in use as they do not have enough staff.

Jones added that the outbreaks of COVID among workers arrived as staff are already burned out and overworked as they deal with yet another surge in cases, with the Delta variant spreading through the state and the entire country.

"We've gone through this four to five times," Jones said, via the Mississippi Clarion Ledger. "We're at a breaking point."
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Cultellus wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:28 am
Your added criteria do not make my statements false.
I didn't add any criteria. Your statement was false. If you had said vaccines did not prevent all infection then I would have agreed with it. Your purpose was dishonest to try and criticize something you know little about and is having the greatest affect against the virus.
You seem unwilling to agree to facts if those facts do not also align with your ideology, politics or opinions.
You are free to present any facts if you like. So far you have presented 0 facts. This is why you tried to dismiss facts that are presented to you by pretending they are all made up so you can stick to a desired false narrative.
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I thought one of the 538 crew did a nice piece on therapeutics: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/White House ... acle-cure/

Short summary: testing known drugs for use against Covid-19 is a fine idea. Expect most to fail, even ones that show promise in small phase I trials. Politicizing therapeutics is dumb.

It's possible I editorialized just a bit on that last one.
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Covid-19 cases among US children and teens jumped 84% in a week, pediatrician group says

Updated 12:26 PM EDT August 4, 2021

Almost 72,000 children and teens caught Covid-19 last week — a "substantial" increase from a week earlier, the American Academy of Pediatrics reported Tuesday.

The group counted 71,726 new cases from July 22 - 29. That is a "substantial" increase from the nearly 39,000 cases reported a week before, and five times as many kids who were sick at the end of June. The definition of a child varies by state but generally includes those up to age 17 or 18.

After decreases in reported cases over the past couple of months, the July numbers started trending upward again as the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus became dominant in the country.
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From the department of Why get a free jab when you can just drink a refreshing glass of sheep drench: https://www.thedailybeast.com/demon-spe ... orse-paste
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