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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:36 pm
Politicizing therapeutics is dumb.
Politicizing vaccines and masks is likewise dumb. Video linked below is 3 minutes and change. Please watch.

GOP official who mocked masks and vaccine dies from virus

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/202 ... an-vpx.cnn

ETA: Video covers more than one case.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:39 am
Politicizing vaccines and masks is likewise dumb. Video linked below is 3 minutes and change. Please watch.

GOP official who mocked masks and vaccine dies from virus

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/202 ... an-vpx.cnn
This guy was a piece of work.
In May, Apley posted an invitation for a “mask burning” being held at a bar in Cincinnati, commenting, “I wish I lived in the area!” A couple of weeks earlier, he posted a news article about giveaways and incentives meant to encourage people to get vaccinated, writing, “Disgusting.” Apley also railed against so-called vaccine passports, which restrict high-risk activities, such as indoor dining, to the fully vaccinated.

Recently, he suggested that mask mandates in Germany were akin to Nazism. And when former Baltimore health commissioner Leana Wen celebrated good news this spring about the Pfizer vaccine’s efficacy, a seemingly outraged Apley called her “an absolute enemy of a free people.”
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I wonder if he went to his death feeling in his heart of hearts he was right, and was fine with dying. I suspect that might be the case.

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From Sic et Non:
The opening presentation for the final day of the 2021 FAIR conference was scheduled to be by my friend Steven Mayfield, under the title of “The Mormon Murders: The Hoffman Forgeries.” Steve was involved with law enforcement in Hoffman’s heyday, but also, as a Latter-day Saint who was deeply interested in document collecting and related matters, he knew most of the people connected with Hoffman. Unfortunately, Steve has contracted COVID-19 and he is immunocompromised, so he was unable to speak this morning. Happily, my friend John Gee was able and willing to fill in for him at the last minute. John discussed some basic principles or lessons for doing apologetics.
Good Lord, is an immunocompromised sort the best person to be speaking at a conference where social distancing, masks, and vaccinated people are probably iffy at best? I hope Brother Mayfield pulls through.

eta: oh boy
well folks I've been saying for the last year and a half that with high blood pressure, diabetes and cancer, the coronavirus will have to take a number and wait it's turn! guess what? It came collecting today!!!! Both my Brother I are positive (even though we had the shots earlier this year) But probably got it from our roommate who came down with it last week....So we are laid up for 2 weeks... feeling okay otherwise nothing serious...Just can't go shopping etc or other social things oh well....but still walking, talking, eating, ,sleeping and the things old men do.... hey ain't 2020 and 2021 great years to remember??????///
Fingers crossed he gets better.

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Here in Utah 43.6% of adults are fully vaccinated vs just over 38% on June 5th. Mormon church leadership has basically straddled the line urging members to get vaccinated, but to also consult their physician (snort) and the let the Holy Ghost tell you what to do (wut). We need to get to 70%, so I’m not confident this strategy is effective.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:14 pm
From Sic et Non:
The opening presentation for the final day of the 2021 FAIR conference was scheduled to be by my friend Steven Mayfield, under the title of “The Mormon Murders: The Hoffman Forgeries.” Steve was involved with law enforcement in Hoffman’s heyday, but also, as a Latter-day Saint who was deeply interested in document collecting and related matters, he knew most of the people connected with Hoffman. Unfortunately, Steve has contracted COVID-19 and he is immunocompromised, so he was unable to speak this morning. Happily, my friend John Gee was able and willing to fill in for him at the last minute. John discussed some basic principles or lessons for doing apologetics.
Good Lord, is an immunocompromised sort the best person to be speaking at a conference where social distancing, masks, and vaccinated people are probably iffy at best? I hope Brother Mayfield pulls through.

eta: oh boy
well folks I've been saying for the last year and a half that with high blood pressure, diabetes and cancer, the coronavirus will have to take a number and wait it's turn! guess what? It came collecting today!!!! Both my Brother I are positive (even though we had the shots earlier this year) But probably got it from our roommate who came down with it last week....So we are laid up for 2 weeks... feeling okay otherwise nothing serious...Just can't go shopping etc or other social things oh well....but still walking, talking, eating, ,sleeping and the things old men do.... hey ain't 2020 and 2021 great years to remember??????///
Fingers crossed he gets better.

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Ouch. I thought this was going to be a virtual event, but I guess not.
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Welp. I may stand correct. KSL, which is owned by the for-profit arm of the LDS conglomerate, hung this story today:

https://www.ksl.com/article/50219844/ut ... r-and-lies
A Utah County woman was convinced her faith-based decision to keep her family of six unvaccinated was right, but that feeling didn't last long after her husband contracted a severe case of COVID-19. Now, he's fighting for his life in the hospital.

Months ago, Mindy Greene's husband, Russell, told her to decide what the family should do: vaccine or no vaccine.

She prayed about it and said she went forward with her answer: The family would be fine without it.

She felt good about it. Even when her two sons came home from summer camp with the delta variant, she still felt like she had made the right decision.

"Even four or five days into it, I texted one of my friends. I'm like, 'This ain't bad,'" Mindy Greene told KSL-TV.

That feeling didn't last.

"Then, my husband got it," said Mindy Greene.

That's when everything changed. Within four days, Russell Greene was in the ICU.

That was July 1. He hasn't been home since.

"When you come in, we call it COVID Row," described Mindy Greene. "Right now, we're one of the lucky ones because my husband is still alive."

She shared her story because she said she knows there are so many others just like her who have been deceived by bad information from so-called experts online.

"I do believe it's really hard to get an answer when the noise around you is so loud," she said.

Mindy Greene said she regrets that decision every minute of every day as she watches her once strong, healthy, outgoing 42-year-old husband fight for his life.

"My husband was perfectly healthy," she said with an exhausted look on her face.

She's spent every day of the last six weeks by her husband's side.

Russell Greene has six chest tubes, his lungs have holes where they've collapsed, and just Wednesday, he had another major surgery. A surgery, she said, doctors informed her afterward, they were surprised he survived.

And while she's been filled with regret, when they arrived at their first ICU in early July, she was mad.

Russell had some strong words for her.

"My husband told me, 'You need to have faith that Jesus Christ still lives and miracles still happen or I won't make it out alive,'" said Mindy Greene.

My husband told me, 'You need to have faith that Jesus Christ still lives and miracles still happen or I won't make it out alive.'

So, she begrudgingly pushed forward with faith.

"I can tell you now, he was right that day," she said.

Over the past several weeks, Mindy Greene has come forward on social media, sharing her message of regret.

The New York Times flew to Utah to interview her.

She believes her husband knew far more than she did.

That article had more than a million views, and Mindy Greene's inbox has been flooded with messages of hope and prayer, which have buoyed her up and built her faith.

"I want people to know, that even in hard times, Christ lives, that miracles still happen, and that he's still trying to protect us and he's there to lift people that need to be lifted," she said.

If she had to do it all over again, Mindy Greene said she would get her family vaccinated, and she hopes others will look to credible sources, like trusted doctors and healthcare workers.

She believes people will change their anti-vaccine minds when they have accurate information.

If her faith was shaken, that moment is over as, she said, she sees daily miracles in her husband's treatment.

"I still have those moments where I know he's gonna be OK," she said.

Her advice to those still vaccine-resistant isn't overbearing or judgmental.

"Educate yourself with facts and then make the decision. Include the Lord in that process and he will help guide you," she said. "But, you cannot make an educated decision on fear and lies."

The doctor treating Russell Greene believes he will pull through, but it's still going to be a monthslong recovery.
I think the Lord better stop sending mixed signals, or kick ol’ Rusty in the Depends, because people like her and that Texas guy were getting a different message. The upside for the faith-based community is that no matter how it all shakes out, they’re edified either way.

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Cultellus wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:26 pm
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/

Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission could thus allow very virulent strains to circulate in a population. Here we show experimentally that immunization of chickens against Marek's disease virus enhances the fitness of more virulent strains, making it possible for hyperpathogenic strains to transmit. Immunity elicited by direct vaccination or by maternal vaccination prolongs host survival but does not prevent infection, viral replication or transmission, thus extending the infectious periods of strains otherwise too lethal to persist. Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts.
I'm curious if you purposely did not quote the first two sentences of the abstract, or was it from who ever you copied and posted it from? While I have only had time to go over a little bit, I suspect you haven't read anything more then the part you quoted. It's considered dishonest to edit out parts that are relevant that do not promote the narrative you want.
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Cultellus wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:12 pm

Are you referring to these lines?
Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission.
So did you exclude them or did you copy and paste from some other source?
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Hey guys!

Just thought I'd drop in to share the news on this lovely Saturday! We're screwed! :mrgreen:

Delta infections among vaccinated likely contagious; Lambda variant shows vaccine resistance in lab

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-08-02/
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