Vaccines and Therapeutics 2.0 & 3.0 Merge

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Gadianton wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:30 pm
Dr. Moore wrote:Intermountain Health hit 100% ICU and 100% acute care bed capacity this week.
That's not possible. Ajax and his colleagues at the vision clinic tested positive and didn't get symptoms.
If I remember correctly, ajax believes that he had COVID in December of 2019. I’ll prefer to get his confirmation on that, though.
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This is pretty interesting -
Oxford researchers say they developed blood test predictor of vaccine efficacy
By Ludwig Burger

FRANKFURT, June 24 (Reuters) - Researchers at Oxford University said on Thursday they have developed a method to predict the efficacy of new COVID-19 vaccines based on a blood test, potentially offering a short-cut around massive clinical trials that are increasingly difficult to conduct.

The researchers looked at the concentration of a range of virus-fighting antibodies in the blood of trial participants after they had received the vaccine developed by AstraZeneca (AZN.L) and Oxford University, now known as Vaxzevria.

By looking at which of those trial volunteers later contracted symptomatic COVID-19 and which did not, the researchers came up with a model they hope will predict how powerful other vaccines will be, based on those blood readings.

"The data can be used to extrapolate efficacy estimates for new vaccines where large efficacy trials cannot be conducted," they said in their paper, which was posted online on Thursday and submitted for peer-review for future publication in a scientific journal.


The Oxford researchers cautioned more work was needed to validate their model for many of the highly contagious new virus variants of concern.

They noted that they did not look into the so-called cellular immune response, a major weapon of the human body against infections alongside antibodies, but more difficult to measure.

"There is an urgent need to increase supply of vaccines for the world, but development and approval of new vaccines takes many months. We hope that the use of correlates by developers and regulators could speed up the process," said Andrew Pollard, Director of the Oxford Vaccine Group and lead investigator on the Oxford Vaccine Trial.

Researchers and regulators around the globe are working on such benchmarks – known as a correlates of protection or surrogate endpoints - which may allow laggards in the vaccine development race to provide evidence of efficacy without having to conduct trials with tens of thousands of volunteers.

Those mass trials have so far relied on participants to contract the disease in their normal lives to provide vaccine efficacy results. That becomes more of a challenge where vaccination coverage is already high and the virus is not circulating widely.

The traditional clinical trials also require many participants to get a placebo as a comparison to those who receive the experimental vaccine, posing an ethical dilemma where approved shots are available.
https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-06-24/
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If and when this guy pulls out of this, I’m pretty sure he’s going to keep doubling down on his nonsense.

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If and when this guy pulls out of this, I’m pretty sure he’s going to keep doubling down on his nonsense.
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Social distancing has likely already begun to flatten the curve...Continue to research good antivirals and vaccine candidates. Make everyone wear masks. -- J.D. Vance
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:31 pm
If and when this guy pulls out of this, I’m pretty sure he’s going to keep doubling down on his nonsense.

eta: https://www.gofundme.com/f/pressley-stu ... an-patriot
South Carolina’s longtime Freedom advocate, Pressley Stutts, is a beloved patriot who needs our help due to a sudden turn of events. Pressley recently took on an unexpected battle with the China virus, and as of this writing, is now hospitalized and in ICU. Pressley’s wife Patty was also hospitalized. She has returned home, but in compromised health, and will likely need assistance until Pressley is up to speed.

While praying for a speedy recovery for them both, Pressley’s friends also anticipate what is likely to be a long, slow recovery, due to the severity of his illness. Thus, the many unknowns in this scenario have inspired me to create this account.
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Ajax,

if Pressley Stutts could go back in time a few months, should he get the vaccination?

If not, what if anything could he have done differently? Perhaps he should have got the prayer warriors involved earlier?
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How is it relevant at all that you were asymptomatic?
Because you're claiming I was secretly scared of this disease and believed the vaccine was going to save me.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:56 pm
Ajax,

if Pressley Stutts could go back in time a few months, should he get the vaccination?

If not, what if anything could he have done differently? Perhaps he should have got the prayer warriors involved earlier?
Sure, I'm not anti vaccine. It's helped a lot of people. But it's not people refusing the vaccine who are demanding people mask up again.
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ajax, do you believe that you had COVID during the December prior to last year (2019)?
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:21 pm
Gadianton wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:56 pm
Ajax,

if Pressley Stutts could go back in time a few months, should he get the vaccination?

If not, what if anything could he have done differently? Perhaps he should have got the prayer warriors involved earlier?
Sure, I'm not anti vaccine. It's helped a lot of people. But it's not people refusing the vaccine who are demanding people mask up again.
Nope, they’re just doing their best to make sure that pediatric ICUs are efficiently running at full capacity and giving a much-needed economic boost to the makers of child sized coffins. I guess the bright side is that, unlike antivaxxers and antimaskers, nobody is subjected to the incessant whining by dead kids about their loss of freedom. :roll:
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