Should we bring back a moderator team?

[Atlanticmike]

I'm all done for the night then, thank you sir.

You had no need to ask to begin with. It's been explained to you multiple times in the Paradise forum that you've been trolling. Likewise you had no need to post examples of posts authored by Cam when the reason for his doing so was explained to you at least 3 times, also in the Paradise Forum that you've been trolling.

It's been explained to you multiple times that for some reason you, Lem and Doc Cam formed a "clique" of sorts in spirit paradise starting just a few weeks after the new board was formed back in November. 99% of all the fussing and cussing that goes on in spirit paradise has to do with Trump and posters who lean conservative. You guys nag the hell out of someone if they lean conservative to try to make them stop posting. For the past 8 months you, Lem, Doc Cam, Icarus and Some Schmo have been able to gang up on certain posters and successfully drive them completely out of spirit paradise or lesson their posting to where you guys deem it acceptable enough to tolerate. You and Lem both stood buy while Doc Cam, Icarus and Some Schmo called conservative posters cxxts, assholes, bxxch, mother “F”, mushroom dick, suck mushroom dick, idiot, retard, sexist stupid and so on and so on. The clique you formed was actually really successful and everyone had their role. I've demonstrated Doc Cams role, he was the ENFORCER, as you can tell by the post I supplied.

Jersey, you're upset now because after 8 months of bashing conservatives you guys got comfortable and thought you had this conservative bashing game figured out in spirit paradise. Then I come along and use the cliques "game plan" against them and you and Lem cry and moan that life in spirit paradise has been turned upside down. Doesn't feel good when someone picks on you does it ??? Maybe you should take a little time and think about that once Shades figures out what he wants to do.

[Chap]

Dear MormonDiscussions participants:

We've been without a functional team of moderators for a while now, and that's my fault. If we do "hire" more, is everyone cool with everyone's violations being moderated equally, with no regard whatsoever to the newness of the person whose comments are moderated? And with no preferential treatment for anyone whatsoever, regardless of how long he or she has been here?

We'll hire such a team if 51% of more of the poll respondents want it.

I have voted for recruiting moderators. I am also fine with the conditions you mention.

And thank you for taking on the task of dealing with this at such a difficult time.

[Lem]

You had no need to ask to begin with. It's been explained to you multiple times in the Paradise forum that you've been trolling. Likewise you had no need to post examples of posts authored by Cam when the reason for his doing so was explained to you at least 3 times, also in the Paradise Forum that you've been trolling.

It's been explained to you multiple times that for some reason you, Lem and Doc Cam formed a "clique" of sorts in spirit paradise starting just a few weeks after the new board was formed back in November. 99% of all the fussing and cussing that goes on in spirit paradise has to do with Trump and posters who lean conservative. You guys nag the hell out of someone if they lean conservative to try to make them stop posting. For the past 8 months you, Lem, Doc Cam, Icarus and Some Schmo have been able to gang up on certain posters and successfully drive them completely out of spirit paradise or lesson their posting to where you guys deem it acceptable enough to tolerate. You and Lem both stood buy while Doc Cam, Icarus and Some Schmo called conservative posters cxxts, assholes, bxxch, mother “F”, mushroom dick, suck mushroom dick, idiot, retard, sexist stupid and so on and so on. The clique you formed was actually really successful and everyone had their role. I've demonstrated Doc Cams role, he was the ENFORCER, as you can tell by the post I supplied.

Jersey, you're upset now because after 8 months of bashing conservatives you guys got comfortable and thought you had this conservative bashing game figured out in spirit paradise. Then I come along and use the cliques "game plan" against them and you and Lem cry and moan that life in spirit paradise has been turned upside down. Doesn't feel good when someone picks on you does it ??? Maybe you should take a little time and think about that once Shades figures out what he wants to do.

Sigh. None of this is true, but it is perfectly in keeping with the trolling by this poster and his companions that is overwhelming the spirit paradise forum. The rules, as they are written and as they used to be enforced, would have moved almost all of this posters' comments into Spirit prison at best.

[Atlanticmike]

It's been explained to you multiple times that for some reason you, Lem and Doc Cam formed a "clique" of sorts in spirit paradise starting just a few weeks after the new board was formed back in November. 99% of all the fussing and cussing that goes on in spirit paradise has to do with Trump and posters who lean conservative. You guys nag the hell out of someone if they lean conservative to try to make them stop posting. For the past 8 months you, Lem, Doc Cam, Icarus and Some Schmo have been able to gang up on certain posters and successfully drive them completely out of spirit paradise or lesson their posting to where you guys deem it acceptable enough to tolerate. You and Lem both stood buy while Doc Cam, Icarus and Some Schmo called conservative posters cxxts, assholes, bxxch, mother “F”, mushroom dick, suck mushroom dick, idiot, retard, sexist stupid and so on and so on. The clique you formed was actually really successful and everyone had their role. I've demonstrated Doc Cams role, he was the ENFORCER, as you can tell by the post I supplied.

Jersey, you're upset now because after 8 months of bashing conservatives you guys got comfortable and thought you had this conservative bashing game figured out in spirit paradise. Then I come along and use the cliques "game plan" against them and you and Lem cry and moan that life in spirit paradise has been turned upside down. Doesn't feel good when someone picks on you does it ??? Maybe you should take a little time and think about that once Shades figures out what he wants to do.

Sigh. None of this is true, but it is perfectly in keeping with the trolling by this poster and his companions that is overwhelming the spirit paradise forum. The rules, as they are written and as they used to be enforced, would have moved almost all of this posters' comments into Spirit prison at best.

Lem, you are the ultimate troll. Let's not forget you we're the one willing to use the name and reputation of a deceased man to start a thread here in the terrestrial forum so you could air out your grievances. The only reason I came up here to post was to defend against you calling me a troll. Here's your first paragraph in the supposed Grindael tribute.

A tribute to Grindael
Post Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:35 pm

Lem wrote: ↑
huckelberry wrote: ↑ I do not see a reason to do this but it occasion fights about what is and is not racist a confusion sought by some.
These two trolls are only pretending to have a legitimate concern. They are here to troll the board, and Shades, unfortunately, has decided to accommodate them. It’s unfortunate but Shades holds the power and apparently he has decided that the trolls have a point. Any legitimate, serious analysis of trolling would note that the two trolls are taking advantage of Shades’ “free speech” position, to the detriment of the board

Wow!! Great tribute Lem!!! Sorry, but that's first class TROLLING!!


Dr Shades, no need to answer sir, I'm posting this just so you can see where I'm coming from. Will Lem still be able to call posters her two favorite insults, sexist and troll once a moderater team is up an running?

[Lem]

Sigh again. I'm sure whatever was contributed is more of the same trolling. His reputation precedes him.

Shades, no rush, please take care of yourself first. Many here are willing to help, if that's something you can consider, even just temporarily. Trolls are everywhere, but hopefully legitimate discussion will win out.

Why should someone... experience esthetic pleasure in triggering the outrage of an interlocutor through adopting preposterous and yet obnoxious stances? The ultimate answer might [be that] the only source of empowerment they can rely on is that of breaking the machine of conversation itself, exactly like a player who overthrows the chessboard because she or he is unable to escape checkmate or, with an even more appropriate metaphor, like the child who, not being able to understand how a toy works, breaks it into pieces.

Unfortunately, the toy that an increasing number of trolls are disquietingly seeking to destroy is not a minor one: it is public discourse.

Massimo Leone, 2018. “The art of trolling"

[canpakes]

You guys nag the hell out of someone if they lean conservative to try to make them stop posting.

Rather, most of that comes from the frustration of trying to converse with folks who made it a habit to avoid discussion in favor of primarily posting talking points or insults.

You’ve made subgenius your poster boy for oppression. He was a ‘stop the steal’ cheerleader and was heavily invested in innuendo, snark and insult as his substitute for actual discussion, at least in SP. That was just his style.

subs posted in many of this board’s subforums and had been a part of the community for over a decade. You could even find an occasional post from him in the Celestial kingdom, where he engaged in the same respectful dialog as anyone else there. He participated in SP as much as he wanted and to assume that he was ‘driven off’ from the entire board by anyone challenging his ‘stop the steal’ propaganda in SP shows a major misunderstanding of his personality and intent.

Your behavior is your own. Using subs as your excuse to spam thread after thread, and then dragging that behavior into Terrestrial (where none of your ‘examples’ were even posted, originally), doesn’t work.

[Gadianton]

NO, Atlanticmike, posts like that will NOT be allowed to remain in the Spirit Paradise forum. YES, Atlanticmike, posts like that WILL be moderated, most likely by moving them to the Spirit Prison forum.

Why not just delete them?

My stop-gap proposal:

As people have noted SP has its own unique culture which gets out of hand. Terrestrial self-regulates pretty well so why weigh it down with mods?
A one-size solution for the two forums isn't desirable.

At the same time, we shouldn't let the worst elements of Spirit Paradise infect Terrestrial. I propose that for the interim, Shades allow me to delete any Atlanticmike post in Terrestrial forum that uses crude language or is a direct personal attack. And at my discretion if that's too much work, block his posting in other forums aside from SP entirely.

[Michael J. Lindell]

NO, Atlanticmike, posts like that will NOT be allowed to remain in the Spirit Paradise forum. YES, Atlanticmike, posts like that WILL be moderated, most likely by moving them to the Spirit Prison forum.

Why not just delete them?

My stop-gap proposal:

As people have noted SP has its own unique culture which gets out of hand. Terrestrial self-regulates pretty well so why weigh it down with mods?
A one-size solution for the two forums isn't desirable.

At the same time, we shouldn't let the worst elements of SP infect Terrestrial. I propose that for the interim, Shades allow me to delete any Atlanticmike post in Terrestrial forum that uses crude language or is a direct personal attack. And at my discretion if that's too much work, block his posting in other forums aside from SP entirely.

Gadianton, I recommend you use promo code POSO to buy lots of pillows, a set of sheets, a mattress cover and a new mattress. You can purchase all our products at a discount using promo code POSO. After a week or so of good rest on my premium products you will see and post clearly and be a fair and balanced moderator that would honor Dr. Shades’ answer and intent.

[Physics Guy]

Oblivious as I may have been to all this, in my placid Terrestrial house here, it does sound as though we really need moderators for Spirit Paradise.

Collective self-policing seems to be stalling out at mutual recrimination; even if the right is actually mostly on one side, there’s no way to settle things. The town needs a sheriff who can make calls and enforce them.

Whether that means a full-blown mod team across all boards, I don’t know. Maybe Gadianton can just be a troubleshooter.

That might be worth trying, because the problem with having mods is that they should be respected long-term frequent posters, so that people are willing to accept their judgements as fair and representative of the community. Making solid citizens into cops like that, though, risks burning out our community pillars. Moderating can be stressful and time-consuming.

[Lem]

NO, Atlanticmike, posts like that will NOT be allowed to remain in the Spirit Paradise forum. YES, Atlanticmike, posts like that WILL be moderated, most likely by moving them to the Spirit Prison forum.

Why not just delete them?

My stop-gap proposal:

As people have noted SP has its own unique culture which gets out of hand. Terrestrial self-regulates pretty well so why weigh it down with mods?
A one-size solution for the two forums isn't desirable.

At the same time, we shouldn't let the worst elements of SP infect Terrestrial. I propose that for the interim, Shades allow me to delete any Atlanticmike post in Terrestrial forum that uses crude language or is a direct personal attack. And at my discretion if that's too much work, block his posting in other forums aside from SP entirely.

For the last, "block his posting in other forums aside from SP entirely," if you end up going that route, could you make Spirit Prison/Telestial be the only place he can post freely? That would be more in keeping with the rules, which are at least theoretically the same for Terrestrial and Spirit Paradise. If I recall correctly, that was Dr. Shades' solution for ldsfaqs' problems in Spirit Paradise.