Should we bring back a moderator team?

[Shulem]

Yes, it is a rule violation, technically, but the use of those explanation points are not letters so I doubt Shades would care.

I confess, I've been breaking the red writing rule multiple times in some of my little presentations up in the Celestial Forum and have begged Shades to give me a pass because I needed the red writing to help express the points I was making and help provide a sense of feeling with processing the text.

So far, Shades has been merciful to me and nobody has complained about the application of certain red text which I felt I just had to do to make my point. If Shades insists, I will go back and turn every one of them orange but I hope that won't be necessary.

Anyway, please (anyone and everyone) don't use me (SHUMEM) as an excuse to use your own red text in breaking the rules because I can tell you right now that Shades won't by that. I'm lucky enough to get away with that rule violation up in Celestial and I'm counting my blessings.

Fingers crossed.

Clearly, you’ve had your MD second anointing.

Well, thanks for that honeybaby! There may be a few more instances where I need to break the red writing rule up in Celestial because the red writing is needed to express certain feeling and make the text stand out especially in relation to blue text or the black. I worry about Shades lurking around the corner waiting to bust me and call me out on it every time I break the rule. I'm the type of guy that generally likes to keep the rules and I feel sort of guilty when breaking them.

[Shulem]

Part I bolded. That. literally. never. happened.

And not only that, that entire wall of text you posted is incoherent non-factual blather to the point of delusion. Holy cats. That is simply stunning.

The part you bolded literally happened. I literally posted a quote by Doc Cam. A QUOTE! It was a literal quote and not a paraphrase. It was literally deleted by Gadianton (a vigilante moderator) without any explanation which was literally not transparent. And the literal moderation was literally unwarranted.

My points were coherent and cogent. I can understand why you are stunned and I believe that you are stunned. Thanks for reading it and thanks for commenting. I think we are collectively moving this conversation and nudging the board toward getting some decorum in Paradise.

I saw the whole thing happen too and I must admit I was a bit surprised. However, with that said, I've posted those exact type of things write here on this board but did so when drunk. You know how it can be fun to drink and get crude! LOL! It's freaking fun -- at the time. But embarrassing later.

Do you think Cam is drinking and posting at the same time??

Cam, are you??

Or are you just being nasty?

Do tell. Confess your sins.

[Shulem]

Shulem, you must have put the fear of Shades into Atlanticmike. He removed the red ink and the punctuation.

But, Orange? Orange. Safety Orange? No man, green or purple or periwinkle or something. Not safety and not orange. Stick with red and fear Shades if it comes to it. Do not indicate safety.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Man, I hope that I don't have to go back and change those words and phrases to another color. That would be a lot of work. Hopefully Shades will just let it go. I don't think I'll use more red ink but will have to find another way or means to express the feeling and give the effect I'm looking for.

And really, down there in Paradise there needs to be Three Degrees of Glory. I really think that people will self-regulate by posting in the Degree of Glory in which they have been found worthy. Just think how amazing it would be to go to Telestial Paradise and pick fights and insult people without worrying about getting in trouble over it. Sounds kind of fun.

You could even go down and call girls bitches and guys dicks and get away with it because you're in the Kingdom where that kind of stuff is expected and is a natural consequence for being assigned to that kingdom by Mormon God.

Just think! Who would you like to call a bitch? Who would you like to call a dick?

Telestial Paradise!!! Woohooo! Call each other names! Insults! Fun fun fun!!!

Sounds like a vacation for the wicked.

[Shulem]

Just think! Who would you like to call a bitch? Who would you like to call a dick?

Telestial Paradise!!! Woohooo! Call each other names! Insults! Fun fun fun!!!

Sounds like a vacation for the wicked.

Okay. I can work with that. I really can. But damn Shulem. I really really want to call guy a bitch and a girl a dick and you make feel so wrong for that.

You can do that too down in Telestial. You just can't eat babies or post porn.

[ceeboo]

ceeboo, those are valid points and valid criticisms. Thank you. Taken into consideration, I should add that I understand that people find Gadianton credible and have a lot of respect for him. A history of interaction on this forum could and should give him.......

Yes, in my opinion, it is and should be deeply rooted in a lengthy resume with full context in view. I do think Gad is credible (and I like Gad) but that isn't based on this very recent scenario. It's based on years of experience, including countless board contributions and several interactions over numerous topics. Now, if all I had to go on was this recent scenario, I would be very hesitant to express my opinion regarding his credibility because to be quite honest with you, he has shown some bias for those who happen to share his personal political views and has indeed tried to broad brush 10's of millions of American citizens using an extremely wide brush, Here is one example - This is a part of a post he posted in this thread.

RE: Trolling.

Often, we get a narrow idea in our heads of what an ideological opponent is like and then when we see those positions taken on a forum, by golly it must be for real and now there is license for blasting with both barrels. Okay, I admit, in today's world with capital riots and people dying in hospitals rather than get a vaccine that they wouldn't have questioned prior to 2016, the online caricature might actually be the real deal. But you guys know what I mean.

This was an address to the board about trolling: But as far as I can tell, the only trolling is the actual trolling being done by the author - who is cleverly partaking in the art of trolling. The very selective talking points chosen as well as the attempt to suggest that 10's of millions of American citizens support the Capital riots and that they all are refusing to be vaccinated since 2016/Trump and that this might not just be the online caricature of an entire political party (that encompasses millions and millions of American citizens across an extremely wide spectrum of various beliefs) but that it just might be "the real deal" as he notes. This, of course, is not only nonsense! It's trolling.

Now, has this changed or does this influence and/or impact my personal view of Gad or his credibility? No. Not only is it one mere post of thousands of posts that I have read of his- But perhaps more importantly, it was a post about politics. And given the political climate in America these days, I usually try to give everybody a lot of extra room and huge amounts of benefit of the doubt. I do this for a few reasons, one of which is that I would like to enjoy getting these same things from others (especially about politics)

[Shulem]

Yeah, politics is really getting bad. America is suffering really bad because of all the division. I refuse to talk politics. It's too volatile. It's really a hot subject and people are saying all kinds of things these days. The country (USA) is deeply divided and the rest of the world is suffering because of it.

Okay, So, I'll say this much. I'm tired of old leaders. They should all retire and go play shuffleboard like old people are supposed to do.

I want someone young for President, like a JFK. Something like that. I'm tired of old people holding on to their jobs and power. Out with the old and in with the new.

[Lem]

RE: Trolling.

Often, we get a narrow idea in our heads of what an ideological opponent is like and then when we see those positions taken on a forum, by golly it must be for real and now there is license for blasting with both barrels. Okay, I admit, in today's world with capital riots and people dying in hospitals rather than get a vaccine that they wouldn't have questioned prior to 2016, the online caricature might actually be the real deal. But you guys know what I mean.

This was an address to the board about trolling: But as far as I can tell, the only trolling is the actual trolling being done by the author - who is cleverly partaking in the art of trolling.

No, it's not trolling. He may be expressing an opinion you disagree with, but its not trolling by any accepted definition, even the ones given in that very incomplete and extremely simple Wikipedia entry that was quoted. He was explaining the difference between online caricatures we see, and actual ideological positions, which in today's climate may be closer together than they typically are, making the recognition of online strategies potentially more difficult.

He also wasn't addressing the board about trolling. He was explaining the interim positions he has taken to assist the Board, while awaiting Shades' decisions, and addressing one very specific issue: Cultellus' body of posts.

[Lem]

...And really, down there in Paradise there needs to be Three Degrees of Glory. I really think that people will self-regulate by posting in the Degree of Glory in which they have been found worthy. Just think how amazing it would be to go to Telestial Paradise and pick fights and insult people without worrying about getting in trouble over it. Sounds kind of fun.

Even if people just used the two we have it could work.

Sounds like a vacation for the wicked.

don't tempt me.

[Dr Moore]

Go ahead and explain it to Shades. You should. And you should also know that I respect Shades a ton, and frankly, I believe I respect his project more than you do.

You have been here ~1 month and the vast majority of your posts have been hostile, repetitive, childish finger pointing. You've presented a pseudonym that behaves like the insecure redshirt freshman who tries to stand out by accusing other players of sucking at football.

It is a signal of intentioned disruption or else a delusional overinflated self-image to even consider the notion that you believe in Shades' project more than Gadianton. That is one of the most laughable things ever I've read in Terrestrial.

Back on "ignore" for you.

[Shulem]

Even if people just used the two we have it could work.

The problem with just two is there isn't extremes in which to remind people that the place they go has it's set of rules. Celestial and Telestial are extremes and everyone knows that so most just go to the middle kingdom and find a happy median. The Three Degrees are a constant reminder that all appetites and passions are to be kept within the bounds that Shades has set.