#GiveThanks for Mopologetics: DCP Ridicules Others' "Silly" Beliefs

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Re: #GiveThanks for Mopologetics: DCP Ridicules Others' "Silly" Beliefs

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IHAQ wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:30 am
You will note that Peterson gave over much of his Thanksgiving Day blog article to pointing out what he perceives to be failings in other sections of Christianty.
At all times, though, I’m grateful for my family, and for the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the ordinances of the temple, which assure me that I will see the departed members of my family again, that our connection with the living and the dead is eternal, and that we will still be family in the world to come.
Obviously, naturalistic materialism can make no such promise. But neither can traditional Christianity, although (for at least the past couple of centuries) many Christians have pictured themselves enjoying heaven with parents and children and kin, revealing an instinct or an intuition far sounder than their theologians, who have sometimes denounced their hope for heaven as mere sentimentality if not altogether as false doctrine.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... hanks.html

In short, he seems to be making the point that Mormons are not Christians.
I’m not sure that a church requiring its members to pay 10 percent of their income in order to supposedly be allowed to see their relatives after death is an improvement over what he’s complaining about.
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Re: #GiveThanks for Mopologetics: DCP Ridicules Others' "Silly" Beliefs

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IHAQ wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:30 am
You will note that Peterson gave over much of his Thanksgiving Day blog article to pointing out what he perceives to be failings in other sections of Christianty.
At all times, though, I’m grateful for my family, and for the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the ordinances of the temple, which assure me that I will see the departed members of my family again, that our connection with the living and the dead is eternal, and that we will still be family in the world to come.
Obviously, naturalistic materialism can make no such promise. But neither can traditional Christianity, although (for at least the past couple of centuries) many Christians have pictured themselves enjoying heaven with parents and children and kin, revealing an instinct or an intuition far sounder than their theologians, who have sometimes denounced their hope for heaven as mere sentimentality if not altogether as false doctrine.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... hanks.html

In short, he seems to be making the point that Mormons are not Christians.
By characterizing 'traditional' Christians as people who don't have anything more than an instinct or intuition regarding eternal recognition and ongoing relationships in eternity, Peterson is doing what he surely would reject in others ... i.e. interpreting and speaking for 'others' rather than learning what they believe for themselves. It's easy to take isolated historical statements either out of context, or as applicable to current belief.

He refers to the words "until death do us part" often included in 'traditional' marriage vows (though you very rarely hear these words included today!) as a denial of relational closeness after death. And that is not how the actual people making the vows have understood these words ... rather, they are an admission that the marriage relationship is cut off by death (and therefore, legally, the remaining spouse may remarry). While it's true that many 'traditional' Christians don't envisage marriage as occurring after death, that doesn't mean they expect familial relationships and relational closeness existing on earth to become unrecognizable or to vanish. Rather than "less than", relationships will rather be enhanced and "more than" in the eternal realm ... with God at the Centre.

Please let 'traditonal' Christians speak for themselves, Dr. Peterson!
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Paloma wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:20 pm
While it's true that many 'traditional' Christians don't envisage marriage as occurring after death, ...
Wasn't that in-line with something Jesus said? Although at FAIRMormon, they would point out that Jesus was lying for the Lord to protect plural Celestial marriage, lest the Roman critics jump on it and enact anti-The Principle legislation for Judea and the afterlife.
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DCP wrote: "At all times, though, I’m grateful for my family, and for the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the ordinances of the temple, which assure me that I will see the departed members of my family again, that our connection with the living and the dead is eternal, and that we will still be family in the world to come."
In the light of objective reality, this statement by DCP is juvenile and just plane silly. If I recall correctly, the last time I made statements to this effect in public was as a seminary student giving an assigned talk in Sacrament Meeting in a small rural branch when I was about 15. Since that time, I have grown up and am now an adult who has put away childish fantasies.

One of the most important insights in my life has been that Mormonism, like all religions - and more than most, is a make-it-up-as-you-go-along package of lies, fantasy, deception, greed and mass delusion carefully designed to convert people to sheeple. Unlike many religions, Mormonism has the distinct disadvantage of making a myriad of falsifiable truth claims that have, in fact, been falsified by every objective criteria or test ever applied. It's arbitrary and unjustified tenets and restrictions become a burden and a handicap, especially in certain international business relations, and is certainly not worth one's time or money.

Moving on from Mormonism was the second best and most impactful decision I've made in life. The hands down best decision was to convince the most intelligent, level headed, adventurous and good looking Mormon girl I ever met to marry me before we moved on.
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