There you go. You don’t seem to know, either. It’s a mystery.
Really. I know. The antivaxxers are ALL like that, they work hard to create anxieties about vaccination based on 'unknowns' and 'unanswered questions' and 'who is behind this?', basically because there are no hard data on which a rational decision for a normal person to refuse vaccination can be made. We are not. All vaxxers work hard to create anxieties about vaccination based on 'knowns' and 'answered questions' and 'who is not behind this?', basically because there is only hard data on which a rational decision for a normal person to accept vaccination can be made. I am so happy that we all agree that all those people are like that and all of us people are not like them at all. We are way way way better than those people.
I am glad to agree with you too, little buddy. Feels good to agree.
ETA: High Five.
There you go. 90 pages later in the thread, and we’ve come full circle, and you can’t answer the question any better either now than then, or than anyone else.
: D
ETA: Fixed, to free Ceeboo from his trancelike state. : D
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Are you assuming that we should expect to find hard data that supports not getting vaccinated?
You addressed this to Cultellus, but I’m definitely interested in what the roots of anti-vaxxer fear is, if you are aware of some source that examines this. Per the quote from the article above, “We wanted to make sure [getting vaccinated] was safe.”
Safe from what? And with what chances of experiencing the unstated but presumably ‘unsafe’ things?
Well that is all great and sensible and understandable. Except for the part where you fail to acknowledge that antivaxxers work hard to create anxieties about vaccination based on 'unknowns' and 'unanswered questions' and 'who is behind this?', basically because there are no hard data on which a rational decision for a normal person to refuse vaccination can be made.
You just need to make the point that all antivaxxers are the same and that obviously, we are not like them. The rest is all fine. Then you too can get a high five. I agree with you more but I agreed with Chap first, so let's agree on that.
If only an anti-vaxxer with the ability to speak to the issue would chime in. : D
If only an anti-vaxxer with the ability to speak to the issue would chime in. : D
Eff that. We should do the opposite and forbid them from speaking. You hate those people. Me too.
Maybe the vaccine makes your tongue explode, rendering you mute. Then it cripples your fingers and toes, making you unable to use sign language or to draw out letters in the sand to describe the suffering of your ‘sploded tongue and subsequent muteness, leaving you to silently endure your resistance to COVID without witness. I guess that we’ll never know.
Are you assuming that we should expect to find hard data that supports not getting vaccinated?
You addressed this to Cultellus, but I’m definitely interested in what the roots of anti-vaxxer fear is, if you are aware of some source that examines this. Per the quote from the article above, “We wanted to make sure [getting vaccinated] was safe.”
Safe from what? And with what chances of experiencing the unstated but presumably ‘unsafe’ things?
The anti-vax movement says it is pro “safe vaccine.” But that was a purely PR rebranding done some time ago. The movement never sets criteria for what a “safe” vaccine would look like and, to my knowledge, has never promoted a vaccine as safe. They make false statements about the contents of vaccines, false statements about side effects, misrepresent study results, cite studies of dubious validity while ignoring any study that doesn’t support their conclusions. They are like any other zealot — they just know vaccines are bad things created to harm them by bad people.
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
Maybe the vaccine makes your tongue explode, rendering you mute.
You are not like Chap. You are an antivaxxer.
I’m so anti-vaccine that I willingly accepted vaccination, in order to personally demonstrate the Evil Bill Gates Magnetic Tracking Cabal’s nefarious scheme with my own body.
After the deadly side effects kick in, Tucker Carlson will call me in for a guest appearance, and I’ll expose this Libtard ZOG Luciferian Planetary Clinton-Soros Vaccine Subversion Takeover for what it is.
I wouldn’t call everyone who refuses the COVID vaccine an anti-vaxxer. The leaders of the anti-vax movement have assembled a collection of pseudo-science that appears reasonable on the surface. One has to spend time and effort to investigate the information to discover just how deceptive it is.
That movement has coalesced with the antigovernment right over this particular vaccine. The vaccines, like everything having to do with COVID, has become highly politicized. This groups resistance is to this specific vaccine, not vaccines in general.
As a result, politically opposed are a receptive audience for the anti-vaxxer pseudoscience. It’s a grab bag of FUD, so people’s specific reasons vary.
Well that is all great and sensible and understandable. Except for the part where you fail to acknowledge that antivaxxers work hard to create anxieties about vaccination based on 'unknowns' and 'unanswered questions' and 'who is behind this?', basically because there are no hard data on which a rational decision for a normal person to refuse vaccination can be made.
You just need to make the point that all antivaxxers are the same and that obviously, we are not like them. The rest is all fine. Then you too can get a high five. I agree with you more but I agreed with Chap first, so let's agree on that.
We’re all the same and we’re all different. We can all be placed in one group and we can all be placed in our own groups of one. Depending on the context and the label, there is nothing wrong with using a label to describe people who share a common characteristic. Otherwise, the only way we could talk about people who share characteristics would be long lists of names.
There may differences within a group that are important to recognize, depending on we’re talking about. And if that’s true (like I think we shouldn’t lump political COVID vaccine refuses with the anti-vax movement), we can talk about that. And we should be careful when taking actions based on groups.
I’m not sure why you do what looks like some kind of da da performance art rather than simply stating your objection to something someone said. If you’re trying to communicate something, it’s not clear to me what it is.
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
I’m not sure why you do what looks like some kind of da da performance art rather than simply stating your objection to something someone said. If you’re trying to communicate something, it’s not clear to me what it is.
The same point extends to objections to vaccination.
Saying that ‘the vaccine isn’t 100% effective’ is not a reason to refuse it. It’s only a reason to believe that it might not prevent infection for that person considering vaccination. This is still a ‘nothing to lose’ scenario. Either one remains unvaccinated and may get COVID, or one gets vaccinated, and may get COVID … (and) regardless of what could happen in either situation after infection.
So what is ‘the thing’ that tilts the decision in favor of not being vaccinated?
What fear, or circumstance, or assumed outcome is driving the decision?
