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California Becomes One of Only Three States to Exit the CDC's Worst Category for COVID Transmission
In this summer's Delta variant surge, California has succeeded in being one of just three states to no longer be in the "high" transmission category for COVID-19, along with Vermont and Connecticut.

Much like the California Department of Public Health's former color-tier categorizations, the CDC now has these categories for the nation, and for weeks now, all 50 states have been in the red-coded "high" transmission tier. California, Vermont, and Connecticut are now moving down to the "substantial," or orange tier. This puts us on the road back to the yellow-coded or "moderate" tier, where we were in early July, and hopefully the blue or "low" tier where we were in June.

State epidemiologist Dr. Erica Pan spoke in a panel discussion Tuesday, as reported by the Chronicle, and said that vaccination rates have helped us, as well as high rates of compliance with changing public health orders.

"Our mitigation measures, like masking, are going to work regardless of the variant," Pan said.

Back in late July, when the CDC updated its mask mandate in light of the Delta variant, it recommended masks indoors for all areas with "high" or "substantial" transmission rates, regardless of vaccination status.

California had to drive transmission levels down to between 50 and 99 new cases per day per 100,000 residents. The seven-day average of new cases in San Francisco hit 95 as of September 9, which amounts to 10.9 cases per 100,000 — a number that would have still would have qualified our county for "Purple" tier status under the state's framework of a few months ago. Back in early May, San Francisco was averaging just 26 new cases per day, or 1.8 per 100,000, before the Delta variant came and ruined everything.

"I do think that this virus, and certainly Delta, finds our most vulnerable," Pan said. "I would like to say to our unvaccinated, 'You do have a choice. Your choice is to get infected at some point or to get vaccinated.'"
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As an update, the nephew of my right-wing friend who had texted my friend the Dr. Stephen d. Hotze anti-vaxx video that had caused my friend concern, has died of Covid-19. The sad part to the story is, as I have just learned, he is survived by 4 kids.

So, all of you right-wingers out there, if you play your part in the vaccine disinformation complex, please congratulate yourselves and feel happy it wasn't you or somebody you care about.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:38 pm
As an update, the nephew of my right-wing friend who had texted my friend the Dr. Stephen d. Hotze anti-vaxx video that had caused my friend concern, has died of Covid-19. The sad part to the story is, as I have just learned, he is survived by 4 kids.

So, all of you right-wingers out there, if you play your part in the vaccine disinformation complex, please congratulate yourselves and feel happy it wasn't you or somebody you care about.
From what I hear from friends with (often older) family members who have hung back from vaccination, it is not that they have been converted into committed anti-vaxxers, of whom there are comparatively few. It's more that all the anti-vaxx stuff they have met has made them say "Well, I don't really know. You hear some much stuff about problems. Maybe I'll wait until I'm sure it's really safe."

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This is a heartbreaking account of one ICU nurse’s day in a COVID-19 ICU unit in Clearwater, Florida. This is playing out in ICUs across the country. https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... id-19-icu/
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Cultellus wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:55 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:52 pm
This is a heartbreaking account of one ICU nurse’s day in a COVID-19 ICU unit in Clearwater, Florida. This is playing out in ICUs across the country. https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... id-19-icu/
Oh for godsakes. These articles. Pay attention to the details. Either this picture is miscaptioned, or that hospital is run by dumbarses. A lot of people would be getting fired if that picture was taken at a hospital where I work. I am calling B.S. on this article. Too much garbage in this pic and caption to trust anything else in the article.

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So, this picture is sufficient for you to call the ICU nurse a liar?
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Here is the caption:
Almost 40 percent of the beds in BayCare’s 14 hospitals now are filled with COVID-19 cases. No other outbreak ever has accounted for that percentage of patients, according to spokeswoman Lisa Razler. By mid-August, there were so many infected people, the hospitals had to suspend elective surgeries. [ JOHN PENDYGRAFT | Times ]
What, specifically, is inaccurate about the caption? And what, specifically, do you contend are the firing offenses shown in the picture?
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Cultellus wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:07 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:20 pm

So, this picture is sufficient for you to call the ICU nurse a liar?
This is exactly the kind o BS.... I did NOT CALL THE ICU NURSE A LIAR! Jesus Christ, Res.
So, do you think the nurse is telling the truth?
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Cultellus: I am calling B.S. on this article
Also Cultellus: The nurse's story (the article) may be true.

If the article is entirely B.S., then the nurse must be lying.
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Cultellus wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:18 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:16 pm


So, do you think the nurse is telling the truth?
No clue. She is telling her story. Maybe it is true, maybe it ain't. Based on the photos and captions, there are a lot of issues going on and one may be the quality of the journalism. What you see there is a huge huge huge problem, if those photos are real.

ETA, again. There is a HUGE credibility issue if hospitals are behaving like you see in that photo, and then bitching about the lunatic right-wing fringe nazi horsemedicine-swallowing idiots. In fact, that may be the issue.
Let’s see, you’ve jumped from one photo and one caption to “photos” and “captions.” Which other photos and captions are you relying on, and what is the “HUGE” credibility issue you claim they show.

You’ve also jumped from the one hospital discussed in the article to “hospitals.” Which other hospitals are you now claiming fail to follow safety precautions for nursing staff and, of those, which do you claim are “ bitching about the lunatic right-wing fringe nazi horsemedicine-swallowing idiots.”
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:40 pm
Cultellus wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:18 pm


No clue. She is telling her story. Maybe it is true, maybe it ain't. Based on the photos and captions, there are a lot of issues going on and one may be the quality of the journalism. What you see there is a huge huge huge problem, if those photos are real.

ETA, again. There is a HUGE credibility issue if hospitals are behaving like you see in that photo, and then bitching about the lunatic right-wing fringe nazi horsemedicine-swallowing idiots. In fact, that may be the issue.
Let’s see, you’ve jumped from one photo and one caption to “photos” and “captions.” Which other photos and captions are you relying on, and what is the “HUGE” credibility issue you claim they show.

You’ve also jumped from the one hospital discussed in the article to “hospitals.” Which other hospitals are you now claiming fail to follow safety precautions for nursing staff and, of those, which do you claim are “ bitching about the lunatic right-wing fringe nazi horsemedicine-swallowing idiots.”

Res, look at the caption for this photo, specifically:

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Every morning, a team of up to a dozen health care workers makes rounds in the ICU, updating each other on the patients’ conditions, medicines, needs, families and prognoses. Jen, center, coordinates care with doctors, nurses, therapists, dieticians and pharmacists. [ JOHN PENDYGRAFT | Times ]

Right.

Notice that we can’t tell that they’re in any sort of actual ICU. And they’re not updating each other; they’re staring at computer screens that we can’t even see, so they’re probably pretending to do hospital stuff, or - more likely - shopping on Amazon. Or logging in to their crisis actor accounts to download their paychecks from George Soros for appearing in this pic. Or something.

Gotta go with ‘hoax article’ on this one. ; )
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