Fairmormon's T. I. T. S.

[Dr Moore]

It appears to me that Brad and Kwaku are sporting the same jackets, shirts and ties for all of these videos.

[consiglieri]

Limited wardrobe budget?

[consiglieri]

Bad hygiene?

[consiglieri]

All shot the same day?

[cwald]

If you are going to post any TITS videos, please do it in the Telestial Kingdom.

[Lem]

An interesting point from reddit:

The actual closing argument of the final TITS video: “if only one of the things written in the CES letter is false, than the entire PDF should held to suspicion. If Jeremy Runnells is caught lying about one thing, then why should you believe anything else he says about the gospel?”

[IHAQ]

An interesting point from reddit:

The actual closing argument of the final TITS video: “if only one of the things written in the CES letter is false, than the entire PDF should held to suspicion. If Jeremy Runnells is caught lying about one thing, then why should you believe anything else he says about the gospel?”

Does that apply in reverse? If you can find one example of a Prophet lying do you disbelieve everything else they have said?

[dastardly stem]

Lets not get carried away and think the TITS videos have anything useful to say. Otherwise if it can be shown the TITS guys have lied about something, then they and all of FAIR have nothing useful to say...and we already know that's the case.

[Mixman76]

Hello all. This is my first post here. I came here under the suggestion of RFM. Nice to meet you all. I am NOT a scholar or intellectual, just a regular dude who has come so see the church for what it is and is not. That said, my journey has been tough and I have learned a lot.
I saw the new Fair videos and was floored at how much they bully and demonized Jeremy, John and those who have left the church. I noticed that Fair was asking for feedback about these videos and I sent the following message.

To whom it may concern,


Your recent videos in collaboration with Kwaku El, Cardon Ellis and others are hitting the wrong note in today’s society. In a time when inflammatory rhetoric has galvanized hate groups and individuals to rise up and react toward their supposed enemies, these videos seek to use these same tactics to respond to those who question the truthfulness of the Church. They vilify and paint a simplistic view of Mr. Runnels and Dehlin without allowing them to be actual nuanced human beings. The “comedy” and “fun” you are trying to have at their expense is downright mean and unsavory. It is causing even further division between people who have left the church and those who are still in it. People who leave are already scared enough to tell their families without being further vilified by you and these young bullies. They speak and act with impunity, following the example set for them by selfish politicians who thrive by spreading misinformation and lies. Shouldn’t they be following the example of Jesus instead of Donald Trump?
And by the way, your website is so convoluted and difficult to navigate it makes people give up on trying to find answers there. Also, when I emailed your site to look for answers to my questions, I was talked down to, made to feel inferior and quickly labeled as an angry apostate not worth talking to. Every experience I’ve had with Fair Mormon has only led me farther away from the church not closer to coming back. These new videos are the final nails in the coffin for me.
Your tactics are not working, these videos are terrible.

Yours,

Here is the reply I just received. I thought it would be interesting for you all to read it and maybe help me come up with some good "suggestions" for them.

"Thanks for your message.

These videos are targeted at youth of the Church who do not consume any other type of content we have produced, and they are watching and being inoculated from misleading and deceitful messages from the CES Letter in large numbers. They were also created by youth using our information etc. The results of our reach to these groups is remarkable. We have evidence that youth that once accepted the CES letter as accurate are now doubting their doubts.

These are not for everyone, and we realize that. But we are very much open to specific suggestions for improvement, so we welcome your insights.

Please provide us with specific examples from any individual video with a rough time stamp of what you see could be improved, and specifically how you would see us do it differently to keep it effective. It is most helpful if you give us suggestions not only in what you don't like, but also help us with how it could be done differently to be made better.

These videos give solid refutations of critical claims by the CES Letter. If youth dismiss the letter as a result, we believe that is a good result. Inasmuch Jeremy Runnels fabricated a narrative that the letter is the result of sincere questions (he mined the ex Mormon sub-reddit for his questions), we certainly think Jeremy and his opinions on the Church are worthy of dismissal by anyone, especially given his long antagonism against the Church.

We do not seek to be unkind in these videos, but to be clear that the CES letter claims are dishonest and wrong, and to do so in a light hearted way youth will consume. You will recall that Christ called people liars, hypocrites, vipers, whited sepulchurs, and sported a whip to cleanse the temple. We are simply sporting wit and humor.

But we welcome your input so that we can make these as effective as possible. Please forward specific suggestions as you are able. Examples of things you see as problems are always most helpful when accompanied with specific ideas on how they can be done in an improved way.

Regarding our website. Let me know what you are trying to find and I will help you out. Sorry it is not ad easy as we might prefer.

As for your treatment in writing in, I am personally voted and I read every single question we receive. I don't recall seeing your message or any response, but I might just be getting senile.

Of you can share your exchange with me I'd like to see it. We try and treat every single email with kindness and due respect abs i would like to correct any failure in that regard.

Best

John L."

Glad to be here and I hope to learn more from all of you.

[Res Ipsa]

Welcome Mixman. I hope you enjoy being here.

What do you think about the response you received?