Markk, perhaps DCP needs reminded of what one of the 'prophets, seers and revelators', 2nd Counselor in the First Presidency, even Marion G. Romney, said at General Conference on October 4, 1975. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... y?lang=engMarkk wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:10 pmMy latest post to Dan.
Dan: Actually, I don't. But sometimes I feel the need to correct the public record.
[Markk:] Why don't you do so with the 2nd Watson Letter? I am sure the "public" would love for you to "correctly" set the record straight (question by request of your benevolent stalker)."
Dan: Do you really imagine that the general public knows or cares even slightly about that non-issue? (Incidentally, you owe my Malevolent Stalker for his coaching you on it. He's really dedicated, isn't he?) For one thing, I think it’s about twenty-five or thirty years old.. I scarcely remember it now. (Cue howls of outraged derision.) And it was never of central importance. Not to me and not to our position.
The fundamental point to remember here is that, although your cheerleader and coach, my Malevolent Stalker, has long accused me and my associates of lying about it (and virtually everything else), I didn’t and we didn't. Notwithstanding the Stalker’s continual accusations, I'm not only not a liar but I’m not stupid. And yet I would have to be a massively stupid fool, as a member of the Church and a professor at the Church’s flagship university, to have brazenly and publicly lied about a communication from the Office of the First Presidency. Moreover, as a believing Latter-day Saint who accepts the First Presidency as prophets, seers, and revelatory, I would simply never, ever, knowingly seek to misrepresent their position. Never.
There. I think we're caught up. I've responded to every comment that you've submitted here and even, for that matter, to two comments that you've falsely claimed to have submitted here.
If you accuse me of having suppressed any comment from you that you've actually tried to post here, you'll be bearing false witness.
Incidentally, don't post here any more about the so-called "Second Watson Letter." You may be willing to dance to the Malevolent Stalker's tune, but I'm not. He wants to keep his slanderous accusation alive, and he's free to try. But I won't allow him the use of my own blog to do it.
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Markk: Dan, I am not really sure what Dr. Scratch's opinion is on the 2nd letter, I can only tell you mine, mostly based on RFM's break down of it on his podcast. Based on the evidences he presented it appears that Bill and yourself embellished the fax, into a letter. And, as always the real "crime" often rolls over into the cover up, as we see now.
Honestly for me the whole conversation is a joke given that I know what I was taught in my years in the church. Two Cumorah's is just a joke. The LGT (south) is a vain attempt to salvage testimonies and mopolgentic street cred.
We (my generation and many before and after) were taught and understood that the Hill Cumorah was in New York period. I wish I had the old flannel teaching aids that we were taught with in Jr SS and primary with the the warriors on the hill, that same hill where Joseph received the plates.
Your command not to post here about claims of a 2nd letter shows a real weak point in your armor Dan, again the cover up is always worse than the crime.
"In the western part of the state of New York near Palmyra is a prominent hill known as the 'hill Cumorah.' (Morm. 6:6.) On July twenty-fifth of this year, as I stood on the crest of that hill admiring with awe the breathtaking panorama which stretched out before me on every hand, my mind reverted to the events which occurred in that vicinity some twenty-five centuries ago—events which brought to an end the great Jaredite nation."
"As I contemplated this tragic scene from the crest of Cumorah and viewed the beautiful land of the Restoration as it appears today, I cried in my soul, 'How could it have happened?'
"The answer came immediately as I remembered that some fifteen to twenty centuries before their destruction, as the small group of their ancestors was being divinely led from the tower of Babel, the Lord “would that they should come forth even unto [this] land of promise, which was choice above all other lands, which the Lord God had preserved for a righteous people."
"This second civilization to which I refer, the Nephites, flourished in America between 600 b.c. and a.d. 400. Their civilization came to an end for the same reason, at the same place, and in the same manner as did the Jaredites’."
"Now my beloved brethren and sisters everywhere, both members of the Church and nonmembers, I bear you my personal witness that I know that the things I have presented to you today are true—both those pertaining to past events and those pertaining to events yet to come."
Important enough for a General Conference talk by a member of the First Presidency, but not so important to DCP.
But DCP is nevertheless left with the choice (a) that his memory is faulty, having been plagued by years of self-delusion, or (b) he deliberately twisted the Ogden Fax into a "Second Watson Letter"? So which is it, DCP? Do enlighten us.