That’s still a thing? We did push it back and forth quite a bit. I was as sorry as the rest of you when he passed away. No one deserves to die an early death.
He was good at what he did, but he was an anti-Mormon. I suppose I could have cut him a bit more slack.
I’m one to say let bygones be bygones.
Apparently there are some that still hold grudges.
Let it go, let it go…
A granddaughter’s favorite song.
Regards,
MG
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I think it is fair to say that grindael was opposed to Mormonism.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
For any believer - No matter if said believer is Mormon, Protestant, Muslim, Catholic, etc, etc) experiencing various degrees of struggle and/or crisis concerning their belief is extremely common. I would even go as far as suggesting that a non-believer (a.k.a. - No God) can experience the very same thing, along similar degrees, in the opposite direction.
And I wouldn’t necessarily call any of them apostate. I was called that as a matter of fact earlier.
Regards,
MG
Yeah - I wouldn't call any of them apostate. Period.
That’s still a thing? We did push it back and forth quite a bit. I was as sorry as the rest of you when he passed away. No one deserves to die an early death.
He was good at what he did, but he was an anti-Mormon. I suppose I could have cut him a bit more slack.
I’m one to say let bygones be bygones.
Apparently there are some that still hold grudges.
Let it go, let it go…
A granddaughter’s favorite song.
Regards,
MG
No, it wasn't 'back and forth'. He posted his in real life work, and you trolled him here, anonymously, and relentlessly. Every so often you try to call it something like 'back and forth,' and those lurkers you talk about influencing should see what you consider 'back and forth':
An example of mentalgymnast's trolling of grindael:
When grindael excitedly announced that he had been chosen to present his research at the Whitmer conference and shared with us some of his work, this was one (just one of many!) of the trolling comments that mentalgymnast posted on his announcement thread that evening:
mentalgymnast wrote:
by the way, loser, we are already well aware that you don't believe in the Divine calling of Joseph Smith...so what's your point in preaching to the choir? You already know you're gonna just get high fives. So what's your point? Much ado about nothing, isn't it?
You're a loser, grindael. Ya, I know I just called you a loser. But the shoe fits.
Sterling Moss McMurrin (January 12, 1914 – April 6, 1996) was a liberal Mormon[1] theologian and Philosophy professor at the University of Utah. He served as United States Commissioner of Education in the administration of President John F. Kennedy.[2]
Biography
Born in Woods Cross, Utah, McMurrin's family moved to Los Angeles, California in the 1920s while he was at a young age. There he attended high school and the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA), but he gained his A.B. in history and M.A. in philosophy from the University of Utah. Returning to California for doctoral studies, the University of Southern California awarded him a Ph.D. in philosophy in 1946. McMurrin also did postdoctoral studies at Columbia University, Princeton University, and Union Theological Seminary. For a time McMurrin worked for the LDS Church Educational System, first as a seminary teacher in 1937, then a teacher at Arizona State University, and Institute of Religion director at the University of Arizona.[3]
Regarding his religion, McMurrin argued that the LDS Church concealed parts of its history and had been declining in intellectual freedom. He believed that an honest study of religion would erode faith, and he personally did not believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon. However, he remained devoted to Mormonism, despite his lack of faith and criticism from more "orthodox" church members.[3] In the early 1950s, Joseph Fielding Smith and Harold B. Lee believed McMurrin should be excommunicated. David O. McKay met with McMurrin and agreed to testify on McMurrin's behalf, but the apostles did not pursue the excommunication. Joseph Fielding Smith suggested again that McMurrin be excommunicated in 1965, but McKay declined to take action.[4]
I have and have read a book of this gentleman. It is somehow in hiding at present but I remember it has specifics about a meeting with David O. McKay. McMurrin's honesty and intellectual work was recognized and given protective respect in that meeting.
That’s still a thing? We did push it back and forth quite a bit. I was as sorry as the rest of you when he passed away. No one deserves to die an early death.
He was good at what he did, but he was an anti-Mormon. I suppose I could have cut him a bit more slack.
I’m one to say let bygones be bygones.
Apparently there are some that still hold grudges.
Let it go, let it go…
A granddaughter’s favorite song.
Regards,
MG
No, it wasn't 'back and forth'. He posted his in real life work, and you trolled him here, anonymously, and relentlessly. Every so often you try to call it something like 'back and forth,' and those lurkers you talk about influencing should see what you consider 'back and forth':
An example of mentalgymnast's trolling of grindael:
When grindael excitedly announced that he had been chosen to present his research at the Whitmer conference and shared with us some of his work, this was one (just one of many!) of the trolling comments that mentalgymnast posted on his announcement thread that evening:
No, it wasn't 'back and forth'. He posted his in real life work, and you trolled him here, anonymously, and relentlessly. Every so often you try to call it something like 'back and forth,' and those lurkers you talk about influencing should see what you consider 'back and forth':
An example of mentalgymnast's trolling of grindael:
When grindael excitedly announced that he had been chosen to present his research at the Whitmer conference and shared with us some of his work, this was one (just one of many!) of the trolling comments that mentalgymnast posted on his announcement thread that evening:
mentalgymnast wrote:by the way, loser, we are already well aware that you don't believe in the Divine calling of Joseph Smith...so what's your point in preaching to the choir? You already know you're gonna just get high fives. So what's your point? Much ado about nothing, isn't it?
You're a loser, grindael. Ya, I know I just called you a loser. But the shoe fits.
