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canpakes wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:29 pm
Better to have icky socialism than to have nothing at all by flushing the money down the toilet, wouldn't you say?
NO, SHADES. NO. BAD SHADES. SOCIALISM ICKY BAD, SHADES. Put that thing down and go wash your hands right now.
Is there such a thing as a perfect system of governance? Capitalism is great for the winners, disastrous for the losers. It benefits some personality types and is detrimental to others. Socialism has similar issues albeit in different directions. A dictatorship where the greater good of the people is prioritised would be an option, but where does one find a dictator who doesn’t prioritise their own selfish needs above the populations? A meritocracy? Well who gets to decide what’s of merit? Communism? Well that just ends up being an abusive dictatorship by another name. Democracy? Nobody lives in a democracy, it’s a delusion created by those in power. The parties that win are generally the beneficiaries of people not bothering to vote. And should the population be trusted with decision making capacity? One only need look at the UK 2016 referendum to see that people vote without really knowing what it is they are voting for.

Denmark seems (from the outside) to operate a system that ends up benefiting the majority (democracy on its own rarely if ever achieves that, regardless of what it says on the packaging). “Danish politics and governance are characterized by a common striving for broad consensus on important issues, within both the political community and society as a whole.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Denmark

The worst that can be said about Danish government is that at least they’re trying.

Americans appear to live in a dictatorship of the wealthy where everyone gets a vote but it’s just window dressing. The wealthy will still dictate regardless of who is in power. It’s really just a fiscal dictatorship dressed up to look like something else.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:20 am
Is there such a thing as a perfect system of governance?
The new Administration will try to find a perfect balance between kleptocracy and kakistocracy. : )

Capitalism is great for the winners, disastrous for the losers. It benefits some personality types and is detrimental to others. Socialism has similar issues albeit in different directions.
So often for our MAGA friends, ‘socialism’ refers to any government program that they do not favor, until they decide that it can benefit them personally.
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honorentheos wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:43 am
How does one say "I get my information from pro-Russian sources" without saying they get their information from pro-Russian sources?
Dr Exiled wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:37 am

We've been meddling in the Ukraine for years and years and it should stop. Jeffrey Sachs also supports Mearsheimer's views. https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-art ... in-ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbNvagE7BcM

Here is a quote from his timeline that is important. We promised not to expand NATO and then did it anyway and are obviously trying to surround Russia, probably because our elites covet their resources.


Here are some more important timelines from the article:


After Putin invaded there was a chance for peace that we and the British rejected:


Regarding your question about helping Ukraine, stopping the war, stopping the slaughter is what will help Ukraine. We shouldn't be meddling in their affairs regardless of what Blackrock or JP Morgan Chase want. We should avoid pushing a nuclear power.

As an aside, I am continually surprised by how experts are elevated to almost deity here and elsewhere, when convenient. Experts are to aid the jury in decision making, not to usurp the jury. So, whatever a given expert said here or there is merely part of the mix. Critical thinking should still be the main component of decision making.

You asked: In what way was peace not being given a chance before the special operation? Take a look at Mr. Sach's timeline. Also, we don't even talk to the Russians and we killed the peace deal brokered in Turkey. We haven't been for peace at all.
Ah. Got it.
Everything that goes against our narrative is Russian propaganda. I think that is strikingly similar to one of Shades' mopologist rules.

I don't know if it's ok to say here, but, truth over narrative, regardless of the source, should be the goal?
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:32 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:43 am
How does one say "I get my information from pro-Russian sources" without saying they get their information from pro-Russian sources?
Ah. Got it.
Everything that goes against our narrative is Russian propaganda. I think that is strikingly similar to one of Shades' mopologist rules.

I don't know if it's ok to say here, but, truth over narrative, regardless of the source, should be the goal?
It's amazing how effective the effort is, isn't it? Mainstream media can't be trusted, the institutions of democracy are against the people, only those who have taken the red pill can see things for how they really are, everyone else is a mob under the thumb of the capitalist atheist elite serving American imperialism.

Cool, bro. You keep thinking you see things as they are. Putin needs to eat, too.
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honorentheos wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:34 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:32 pm
Everything that goes against our narrative is Russian propaganda. I think that is strikingly similar to one of Shades' mopologist rules.

I don't know if it's ok to say here, but, truth over narrative, regardless of the source, should be the goal?
It's amazing how effective the effort is, isn't it? Mainstream media can't be trusted, the institutions of democracy are against the people, only those who have taken the red pill can see things for how they really are, everyone else is a mob under the thumb of the capitalist atheist elite serving American imperialism.

Cool, bro. You keep thinking you see things as they are. Putin needs to eat, too.
Yeah, and you don't tell everyone where the professors, at pretty good universities might I add, that I cited, are wrong in their assessment of the Russian Ukrainian war and its history. Your response is name-calling nonsense. Keep up the neocon propaganda. Raytheon needs one more aid package. Who cares about all the dead.

ETA: Can't wait for "Son of Russiagate: Neocons Strike Back."
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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:20 am
Capitalism is great for the winners, disastrous for the losers.
Capitalism is always destined to destroy itself without government regulation.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:20 pm
He knows Trump is willing to use force. It's the only thing Putin respects or understands.
Incidentally, we know how much Putin respects and fears Trump by the fact that Putin had his media plaster naked pictures of Trump's wife everywhere to "congratulate" him on winning the election.

Still over a month to go to even be sworn in, and already a foreign joke to America's adversaries. The myth that Trump has been able to create amongst the approximately 1/3 of eligible voters who support him is wild.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:31 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:20 pm
He knows Trump is willing to use force. It's the only thing Putin respects or understands.
Incidentally, we know how much Putin respects and fears Trump by the fact that Putin had his media plaster naked pictures of Trump's wife everywhere to "congratulate" him on winning the election.

Still over a month to go to even be sworn in, and already a foreign joke to America's adversaries. The myth that Trump has been able to create amongst the approximately 1/3 of eligible voters who support him is wild.

Looks like Putin wants it known that he owns Trump.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:30 pm
Who cares about all the dead.

Ukraine does. And they want the rest of their country back. We should try not to throw them under a bus just to please a Russian dictator.
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canpakes wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:07 am
Dr Exiled wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:30 pm
Who cares about all the dead.

Ukraine does. And they want the rest of their country back. We should try not to throw them under a bus just to please a Russian dictator.
Indeed.
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