Certain people can't ever get it right

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honorentheos
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Re: Certain people can't ever get it right

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:09 pm
Well, your local fraudster would ask in response to your link...how does this answer my question?

The Enlightenment demonstrates my point. Doesn’t it?
honorentheos wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:08 pm
mentalgymnast wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:57 pm
Judaeo Christian values, up to this point, have been the foundation upon which our free society has existed.

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MG
I think enlightenment thinkers would take issue with the heir of the obstructions they faced appropriating their legacy.
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Re: Certain people can't ever get it right

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Given the derailer’s tactics it reminded me of something Seer of Provo said about what’s his nuts:
SeerOfProvo wrote:

The author of that blog has a tendency to simply import philosophical arguments from other religious traditions (namely, orthodox Christianity) wholesale without even casually examining the nuts and bolts of said argument
I’d argue people like the derailer and Mr. Peterson think they think themselves pretty deep thinkers, but in reality they’re fairly unconscious not just about other philosophical traditions (despite the blog owner’s prodigious plagiarizing skillz), but what’s literally going on inside their respective domes that necessitates an Us. vs. Them religious tradition.

Thanks to the last 12 years, and the last four with regard to the excruciatingly idiotic Trumpian Presidential term, I've spent a lot more time than I should’ve trying to understand these religious whackadoodles, Conservatives, Qtards, and Mormons (since I live in Utah), and I've come up with a hypothesis! Yes. Me. The man with a crappy Social Psychology degree from a crappy school. I’ve figured them out. I’ll just say you’re welcome ahead of time.

Did you know Conservatives are literally different than non-Conservatives? I read this wiki article today, which led me back to post on this thread:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology ... in_studies

They have larger amygdalas. Amygadalae? Amygdaloids? Amygaladallonrangadingdongs? I dunno.

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So. Whatever. Amygalawhatever. The tl;dr of the wiki article is that conservatives have larger amygdalas than self-described liberals and as such have stronger physiological responses to fear. They have a much stronger reaction to negative stimuli like other people. They intuitively view the Other as a threat and either should be tamed or done away with. And if there’s not really an existential threat, they create one. Religion and politics needs, nay, demands an Other. It’s the lifeblood of their pathos, this inherent fear of the Other, that they use to meme their way into further relevancy.

The black and white thinking must be theirs, hence the projection of the derailer’s own fears onto the Other, provoking a negative response, and thereby confirming his amygdala’s worst suspicions. The is reproduced by the millions and used by priests and politicians to their own benefit.

Anyway.

We’ve seen Conservatives engaging in stereotyping more and valuing ingroup focused cohesion more. All you have to do is spend time on SeN, or Parler, or the KSL comments section and this concrete categorization is in action. Constantly. In-group cohesion is valued above all, hence breaking ranks to do anything other than toe the party line is seen as a betrayal. If I had to guess, I’d bet dime to dollar the derailer’s amygdala is the size of a soft ball.

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Re: Certain people can't ever get it right

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:11 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:57 pm

Not the best treatment of the subject but one I thought MG could tolerate and it might get through.
Well, guffaw...thanks!

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MG
It was the most reasonable summary from a source I thought you'd accept. Most tended to be more critical of religion whereas this one was a biblical questions website that also didn't take an antagonistic stance towards the Enlightenment.

Anyway, the point was that your claim the Judeo-christian tradition is foundational to a free society is not historically accurate. The framework for our societal freedoms arose out of conflict with the religious and monarchist traditions where divinely appointed kings and church authority was challenged by the notions of universal rights, epistemological knowledge, and use of the scientific method.
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Re: Certain people can't ever get it right

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:13 pm
In-group cohesion is valued above all, hence breaking ranks to do anything other than toe the party line is seen as a betrayal..
Doc
That’s rich. Cancel culture anyone? Big tech censorship? Discuss Mormonism Board?

What if one of you guys ‘saw the light’ and came back to church and defended your position on this board.

That would be a treat.

Regards,
MG
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Re: Certain people can't ever get it right

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:30 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:13 pm
In-group cohesion is valued above all, hence breaking ranks to do anything other than toe the party line is seen as a betrayal..
Doc
That’s rich. Cancel culture anyone? Big tech censorship? Discuss Mormonism Board?

What if one of you guys ‘saw the light’ and came back to church and defended your position on this board.

That would be a treat.

Regards,
MG
I'd be interested in seeing the reverse, where you applied skepticism towards claims of an unseen, unknowable god.
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Re: Certain people can't ever get it right

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honorentheos wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:17 pm
mentalgymnast wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:11 pm


Well, guffaw...thanks!

Regards,
MG
It was the most reasonable summary from a source I thought you'd accept. Most tended to be more critical of religion whereas this one was a biblical questions website that also didn't take an antagonistic stance towards the Enlightenment.

Anyway, the point was that your claim the Judeo-christian tradition is foundational to a free society is not historically accurate. The framework for our societal freedoms arose out of conflict with the religious and monarchist traditions where divinely appointed kings and church authority was challenged by the notions of universal rights, epistemological knowledge, and use of the scientific method.
I’m sure that there is an open debate on this topic. I find this interesting:

You can certainly read many of our modern values into various biblical stories, as [Jordan]Peterson has done at length, but this is often just an exercise in confirmation bias. If you set out to validate the story that Christianity brought forth modernity, you can certainly find ample evidence to support your case. To be judicious however, you would need to complement this with a second inquiry, where you go through every Bible story that cuts against these values. That could take a very long time.
So if religion had nothing to do with the astonishing progress we’ve seen since the Enlightenment, what did?

https://medium.com/@oliverwaters_76079/ ... 555b8778ba
Black and white thinking made manifest in all its glory. The author admits there is ample evidence to support the proposition that Christianity played a large part in bringing forth modernity.

by the way, Jordan Peterson is no slouch. Good man. Well read.

I have an issue with you taking an absolutist position. There’s a whiff in the air that smells like binary, black and white thinking.

Regards,
MG
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Re: Certain people can't ever get it right

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honorentheos wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:43 pm
mentalgymnast wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:30 pm


That’s rich. Cancel culture anyone? Big tech censorship? Discuss Mormonism Board?

What if one of you guys ‘saw the light’ and came back to church and defended your position on this board.

That would be a treat.

Regards,
MG
I'd be interested in seeing the reverse, where you applied skepticism towards claims of an unseen, unknowable god.
Been there, done that...but you don’t believe it, or I would have ‘seen the light’. I wasn’t born yesterday. Not by a long shot.

Regards,
MG
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Re: Certain people can't ever get it right

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:44 pm

I have an issue with you taking an absolutist position. There’s a whiff in the air that smells like binary, black and white thinking.
What exactly do you present as evidence for your claim then? Saying something is binary thinking isn't engaging the actual argument being presented. It's dodging it. Saying someone else has good ideas but not presenting an argument that uses them in anyway or even demonstrating familiarity with their content is dodging it.
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Re: Certain people can't ever get it right

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:47 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:43 pm

I'd be interested in seeing the reverse, where you applied skepticism towards claims of an unseen, unknowable god.
Been there, done that...but you don’t believe it, or I would have ‘seen the light’. I wasn’t born yesterday. Not by a long shot.

Regards,
MG
You are saying you have set skepticism aside, then? In favor of what?
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Indulging in his mommy issues? Baby didn't get enough attention for the first fifty years of his life, apparently.

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