"...if things do not change, they are on that path." "THINGS"???? What "things" do you suggest?
Well, first and foremost is the breeding factor. Muslims everywhere tend to outbreed the rest of us, and for some weird reason or another Europe´s birthrate is dropping way below the global average. It isn´t even breeding at a rate to keep its numbers even since more people die than are born every year. Muslims typically breed at a rate anywhere from twice to six times the global average. That is outrageous given the fact that the majorit of them come from impoverished societies.
From a legal standpoint there really isn't anything we can do about this. If things stay the same, mathematically speaking it is inevitable Muslims will take over in a century. If is not a question of if, but when. Germany and other European countries are offering incentives for its populations to reproduce and have larger families, but it doesn't seem to be working. Incentives must be made to encourage Muslim emigrants from trying to flood the system with babies born into poverty such as stop allowing the government to take care of them. The majority of France's welfare system (and prison system for that matter) is devoted to looking after Muslims who emigrated there from countries like Algeria. France colonized Algeria and feels some sense of guilt about it so they decided to let Algerian's have free reign over their country. It is backfiring on them in a tremendous way, and they need to wake up and make changes in their immigration policies. Nobody from another country is born with the "rights" to have free access to other countries. People come here only because we let them.
How might the Christianized world change to facilitate the peace required in which co-existance can be had? The Muslems?
I doubt there is much we can do. Everytime we try they hate us for it and it breeds more violence.
Dartagnan, little question you feel justified in your stance. Am i right to conclude yours in a fanatical anti-Muslim stance?
No. It is a realistic stance that accepts the facts and evidence for what they are. I am not anti-Muslim; I am pro-mlticulturalism. The problem is American culture is never considered an equal partner in multiculturalism, which is rather ironic. It is systematically being squeezed out. We are taught in school, in the media and by our international neighbors that being American is nothing to be proud of; that the best thing we could do is sit back and let other cultures swarm us to the point of suffocation. If we don't then we are racists, bigots, et cetera; I mean, everyone knows the white Christians have nothing to be proud of except their racist and elitist attitudes? Being a white Christian male is the worst thing you can be living in America. Even though you're slowly becoming a minority, you're already treated worse than some of them. But hey, it is fair justice since we deserve it, right?
As for your comment re USA support of Egypt, there may be some truth to that???
It is true. Thanks to the Camp David Accords, the US has committed billions every year to Egypt just so they won't attack Israel. Clinton did the same thing with N. Korea, which is why N. Korea has become a problem during the Bush administration. Clinton committed hundreds of milions of barrels of free oil for n. Korea, just as a bribe not to create nuclear weapons. Then came the Bush administration and nipped that in the butt.
US has been generous to many over the years. Including some who they have alienated...that's another thread :-)
The US is the most generous nation in the world, yet we remain the most hated. Go figure.
While recently in Cario i visited Christian churches, and witnesssed Christians and Moslems living, associating and working together. Touring Egypt we visited both Christian Monastries and Muslem Mosques--some of the largest in Egypt--without fear or incident.
Too bad the residents of Cairo don't share in your confort. Coptic Christians are an oppressed group if there ever was one. They are not permitted to build new Churches, a Nun was stabbed to death on the street last year and Muslim riots occur whenever they find a stupid reason to complain. Jews have already been almost completely forced out of Egypt, and I am amzed the copts have hung on as long as they have.
Except to be engaged by a group of currious youth who wanted to know about us, what i thought of Egypt and how we were enjoying our trip... My bus had to wait as i wandered lost amidst a sea of Egyptians, a few of whom that could speak English guided me back...
You're a tourist. Maybe you should have flashed them a crucifix to see their reaction.
Dart, i'm not sure what You propose in this perceived conflict? I don't know your socio-politico, or your religious/sectarian position? Will you please declare those for me/us? Are You a TBChristian? ;-) Warm regards, Roger
Sure. I used to be a democrat, them republican, but now I am in the middle somewhere. What I propose is simple really: immigration reform. My wife was deported from teh US and she is Brazilian. Brazilians have a tremendously difficult time getting in the US. They have to answer alls sorts of probing questions about their intentions, their goals, their family, income, et cetera. Most of them cannot come unless they already have family there to stay with (which they have to prove!) and most cannot come unless they can prove they come from an upper class. If they come from a lower class it could mean they will probably justrun loose in the States and work illegally. This sounds like unfair discrimination right? Well that has been standard fare in immigration filtering long before 9-11, so all I am saying is apply it equally to everyone from all countries. European countries should adopt the same policy. So far I think we have been consistent with muslims. I mean there is a reason why there are so many Saudi Arabian Muslims in America and there are impoverished Angolans and Morroccans in France. Saudis tend to have money. They tend to come to American with high education/economic goals. They can prove an ability to contribute to the economy in a positive way and most of them actually do. Muslims in America represent the most rivileged and richest Muslim society in the entire world!
Our immigration policy has much to do with the fact that there are only 2-3 million Muslims here in N. America and about 40% of them come from abroad. Islam is not an appealing faith, and conversions are relatively few. Islam is booming because of its institutionalized and outrageous breeding habits. But it is booming in Europe more than it is here. I guess the good thing about this is that Americans can see what opening the borders wil get them, by simply taking a look at the economic/legal burdens the Muslims are causing in Europe.
However, I do think we should go a step further, make immigrants put their hand on the Bible and swear allegiance to the laws of the State. From what I understand this is no longer required. I would also put immigrants who are waiting to obtain citizenship, on a longer trail period, meaning if they broke an of these commitments by preaching anti-American sentiments (as we know so many Muslims do under the banner of "free speech"), and give us reason to question their loyalties, then their application for citizenship should be revoked and deportation should ensue. We don't need people like that coming here trying to recreate America in their image.