Sput's new MAD thread

[_Alter Idem]

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Alter,

I wasn't talking about beastie's comments here being taken out of context. Mine were.

Jersey Girl

Sorry, I thought you were talking about Sput's original comment. I must have missed what you are referring to.

[_asbestosman]

It's the same thread as the one Liz started where Juliann posts private messages, so some of the more juicy stuff is there.

Did Julian post private messages, or just mod discussion posts that all the mods saw?

[_Bond...James Bond]

It's the same thread as the one Liz started where Juliann posts private messages, so some of the more juicy stuff is there.

Did Julian post private messages, or just mod discussion posts that all the mods saw?

Hmm. No clue. You'd think they were at least semi-private (or at least not meant to see the light of day) in the sense that only 4 or 5 people saw them if they were part of the phantom mods thread.

Edit: It says private message on 2 of the 3 that were released.

Liz?

[_moksha]

Once again, I am voluntarily leaving the MAD community, before they drive me MAD.

Hey, Wade, Gaz and Coggins have toughed it out over here, and apart from a random twitch and loss of bladder control in the night, they are essentially okay from the experience. I suspect that if the participants of both boards were to adopt a more carefree attitude then the crossover jouney would actually be quite pleasant.

[_Gazelam]

I've had tougher questions concerning the church in real life than the ones I have sought to answer here. My bed is dry, thank you very much.

[_Yoda]

Did Julian post private messages, or just mod discussion posts that all the mods saw?

Hmm. No clue. You'd think they were at least semi-private (or at least not meant to see the light of day) in the sense that only 4 or 5 people saw them if they were part of the phantom mods thread.

Edit: It says private message on 2 of the 3 that were released.

Liz?

Juliann quoted a private Moderator thread. True, it wasn't an email or a PM, but the whole reason the Moderator threads were created, and only allowed to be viewed by moderators is so that we could have a forum to discuss private matters that we didn't want published to the general masses. We utilized it more like a chat function.

Also....I noticed that Juliann made a claim about my publishing private emails she sent to me. The email she is referring to, which I quoted from on Kevin's board, had to do with an incident where she accused me of professional impropriety, and I wanted to set the record straight. Since I had been banned from FAIR, at that point, I had no idea what she was saying both publicly and/or privately to others, and I at least wanted my story heard.

And so I don't have to re-hash this, and post this again later after Juliann reads this, and posts some other juicy lie about me on MAD...For all of you "Guests" from MAD who are viewing the board....

This is my post from Kevin's board that she is referring to:

Since this involves my work integrity, and I have no way of knowing what is being said or not on FAIR and defending myself, there is one thing that I did want to address in public, so thanks for indulging me.

This is part of an email exchange between Juliann and me:

In a message dated 10/9/2006 11:36:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, liz writes:
I have made some connections there that I do enjoy. (Charity, dude, Who Knows, alanasaunt) I don't have private emails for all of them, so if you do decide to delete my account, please, as a courtesy, let me know ahead of time so I can let them know that they can't get in touch with me via the boards.

This whole mess is really disheartening to me. All I wanted to do was help.
You really should quit while you are ahead, Liz. One more time....it is in writing so I don't know who you think you are kidding. You certainly are very friendly with Who Knows. ;-)

For the record, I was the one who asked Dan to have you help while I was still under the illusion you were being up front with us. It is particularly disheartening that you are claiming you wrote the code when you pulled it off a website. (Anybody can check the source! Even me.)

You can believe what you want, too...but I have no control over the board anymore and don't want any. (Not to mention I'm in the doghouse for pushing you on them anyway). The whole shebang has been turned over to Dan. He has run bigger boards than this and has his own people and methods. What happens to your account is not my call. I don't know why you would be banned but then I'm not the one who had the joyful task of discovering what you were doing. It is not the information that matters...it is the lack of integrity in spilling it.

The fact that she accused me of stealing code was completely outrageous and uncalled for. Dan had PM'd me and told me he needed a scroller and was in a time crunch. He gave me the specs he was looking for. I went to Dynamic Drive website, which is one of the websites I frequent to find javascript for these types of assignments when I consult, and gave him the code he is currently using. I also gave him suggestions for how to wrap it in HTML. So...to put it mildly, I was rather pissed off when Juliann put my work integrity into question.

This was my response to her:

I didn't claim I wrote the code. I researched it, and found something that worked. It's called consulting. I do it for a living. If I was going to claim I wrote the code, I would have had the brains to take the copyright piece from the website out! I didn't do that. But I did take the time to research what would work best since Daniel communicated to me that he was in a time crunch, and he was looking for specifics.

"You're welcome". Oh, that's right...you never did say "thank you".

The only thing you have in writing is what I admitted to...and you and Daniel didn't even have the balls to come to me and speak to me about whatever it was you were reading that you were concerned about! Instead, you went behind my back...and are now lying about the fact that I exposed who all the Mods were. I never did that...but you're really pushing me to do it. It's almost like you want me to.

Is that what you want? Do you want me to post the Mods and the old identities on Kevin's site?

Actually, at this point, the ONLY reason I'm NOT doing that is because I have a friendship with ******. Since I do still have respect for him/her, I will continue to honor my promise of silence...even if you DO think I broke it.

I'm not impressed with you or Daniel at this point because YOU BOTH showed a lack of integrity in not coming to me with suspected rumors(which were not true, by the way) and giving me a chance to respond.

You would have seen that things are exactly as I explained them to you.

Yes, Julian...you have everything in writing...and we both know that there isn't anything more there that I haven't openly admitted to you. And you know what? If you had come to me with concerns, and actually talked with me about it openly...I would have told you the exact same thing that you supposedly "discovered".

OK....thanks for indulging me. Sorry...this is a "personalized thread". It wouldn't be allowed on FAIR. LOLOL :lol:

Edited to add---Juliann is now claiming that I have posted ALL of our email exchanges. Again, this is not true. This is the ONLY email exchange I have posted publicly. It involves a portion of one email, and the only reason I posted it was to defend my position since I obviously couldn't defend my position at FAIR.

Also...keep in mind that this whole exchange happened LAST YEAR! Talk about having problems moving on......Wade, I think Juliann needs to enroll in some of your CBT seminars. ;)

[_beastie]

Juliann still doesn't get it. She never does. Perhaps I could have tolerated MAD and just put her on ignore, but I want to cut back on these boards, anyway. But here is her latest clueless comment:

Sput asked if it was true that we couldn't hack it without protection. Much is made out of the fact that LDS are protected here. So what happens when a thread is set up and the moderators don't protect? The antis stomp out, completely oblivious to the hypocrisy of criticizing us because we won't go into a worse situation on their board.

No, Juliann, once again you demonstrate your inability to read carefully. I was comparing FAIR to Z. Obviously. I repeated that over and over. Shade's board has too many critics and believers can be overwhelmed, I understand their reluctance to post here. I'm talking about the Z board. On Z, believers and nonbelievers had the same amount of protection.

But of course you must continue to ignore that point, no matter how many times it is repeated. Otherwise, you'd have to explain why believers need special protection - by "special" I mean more than the other side gets on the same board.

She responds to alter-id

What has happened to LDS who have ventured there? How much substance vs bluster do we find on MDB....not to mention obscenity, attacks on appearance, body parts and personal life. And because they can't get enough LDS there to feed everyone...they pretend it is a weakness on our part. Yet, they cannot stand up to a few posters here in one thread without making more excuses and running. Rich.

Once again, the point isn't the comparing THIS board to FAIR. There is no way that Juliann is not aware of this, not even her reading comprehension can be that pitiful (although her interaction on the Olmec thread made me wonder). The comparison is to Z and FAIR. She won't ever address that point for a reason.

[_beastie]

Jan stated:

don't think that the reason that LDS left ZLMB was because they couldn't hack it or tolerate it in the moderating environment there.

I think many LDS left because it got annoying, inane, and boring there. There were fewer and fewer "meaty" threads and substantial posters. Beastie disavows the "glory days" of ZLMB but it was a happening place there before, I believe, she showed up there. There was also an influx of a bunch of folks that just wanted to cause trouble and constantly nip at the heels of LDS posters. I got bored with it as did many others and the FAIR mb started picking up so many of us just moved from ZLMB to FAIR. No one I know left because they weren't "protected" or it because the moderation wasn't biased to the LDS.

So, in order not to fuel the ire of Sput, I don't think LDS need a "protected" place or biased moderation, I think they want an interesting, stimulating, and non-profane (temple and vulgarity) place.

First, "nit picking" and "heel nipping" are impossible subjective. I think Juliann is the worst heel nipper I've ever seen, for example, and I doubt Jan would agree.

I also question whether or not, during its active phase, Z had less meaty threads than FAIR. I really don't believe it, but again, this is subjective.

But the larger point is that if LDS don't need extra protection, why does FAIR/MAD offer it?

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

by the way,

Serious question - does anyone know how old Sput is? I'm beginning to suspect I may be debating a fourteen year old, which would be embarrassing. I guess that's always one risk of internet boards.

I would say "Sput" is probably in his late twenties to early thirties. He's stated that he was out of the church for 14 years, 8 of which while married. He came back to the church maybe a year ago. He's also mentioned that he serves as Elders Quorum Pres. I think he is quite familiar with this board--probably monitoring it for some months, so he is familiar with the posters here. You guys would have a better idea than me if he's been posting here.

Like we can't lie on these boards....I still maintain that Sput is as Beastie says less than twenty and a little offffffffffffffffffffff

[_asbestosman]

Edited to add---Juliann is now claiming that I have posted ALL of our email exchanges. Again, this is not true. This is the ONLY email exchange I have posted publicly. It involves a portion of one email, and the only reason I posted it was to defend my position since I obviously couldn't defend my position at FAIR.

Can't one also say that Julian posted your mod messages in order to defend her position?