Jersey Girl wrote:]
Alter,
I wasn't talking about beastie's comments here being taken out of context. Mine were.
Jersey Girl
Sorry, I thought you were talking about Sput's original comment. I must have missed what you are referring to.
Bond...James Bond wrote:It's the same thread as the one Liz started where Juliann posts private messages, so some of the more juicy stuff is there.
asbestosman wrote:Bond...James Bond wrote:It's the same thread as the one Liz started where Juliann posts private messages, so some of the more juicy stuff is there.
Did Julian post private messages, or just mod discussion posts that all the mods saw?
beastie wrote:Once again, I am voluntarily leaving the MAD community, before they drive me MAD.
Bond...James Bond wrote:asbestosman wrote:Did Julian post private messages, or just mod discussion posts that all the mods saw?
Hmm. No clue. You'd think they were at least semi-private (or at least not meant to see the light of day) in the sense that only 4 or 5 people saw them if they were part of the phantom mods thread.
Edit: It says private message on 2 of the 3 that were released.
Liz?
liz3564 wrote:Since this involves my work integrity, and I have no way of knowing what is being said or not on FAIR and defending myself, there is one thing that I did want to address in public, so thanks for indulging me.
This is part of an email exchange between Juliann and me:In a message dated 10/9/2006 11:36:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, liz writes:
I have made some connections there that I do enjoy. (Charity, dude, Who Knows, alanasaunt) I don't have private emails for all of them, so if you do decide to delete my account, please, as a courtesy, let me know ahead of time so I can let them know that they can't get in touch with me via the boards.
This whole mess is really disheartening to me. All I wanted to do was help.
You really should quit while you are ahead, Liz. One more time....it is in writing so I don't know who you think you are kidding. You certainly are very friendly with Who Knows. ;-)
For the record, I was the one who asked Dan to have you help while I was still under the illusion you were being up front with us. It is particularly disheartening that you are claiming you wrote the code when you pulled it off a website. (Anybody can check the source! Even me.)
You can believe what you want, too...but I have no control over the board anymore and don't want any. (Not to mention I'm in the doghouse for pushing you on them anyway). The whole shebang has been turned over to Dan. He has run bigger boards than this and has his own people and methods. What happens to your account is not my call. I don't know why you would be banned but then I'm not the one who had the joyful task of discovering what you were doing. It is not the information that matters...it is the lack of integrity in spilling it.
The fact that she accused me of stealing code was completely outrageous and uncalled for. Dan had PM'd me and told me he needed a scroller and was in a time crunch. He gave me the specs he was looking for. I went to Dynamic Drive website, which is one of the websites I frequent to find javascript for these types of assignments when I consult, and gave him the code he is currently using. I also gave him suggestions for how to wrap it in HTML. So...to put it mildly, I was rather pissed off when Juliann put my work integrity into question.
This was my response to her:I didn't claim I wrote the code. I researched it, and found something that worked. It's called consulting. I do it for a living. If I was going to claim I wrote the code, I would have had the brains to take the copyright piece from the website out! I didn't do that. But I did take the time to research what would work best since Daniel communicated to me that he was in a time crunch, and he was looking for specifics.
"You're welcome". Oh, that's right...you never did say "thank you".
The only thing you have in writing is what I admitted to...and you and Daniel didn't even have the balls to come to me and speak to me about whatever it was you were reading that you were concerned about! Instead, you went behind my back...and are now lying about the fact that I exposed who all the Mods were. I never did that...but you're really pushing me to do it. It's almost like you want me to.
Is that what you want? Do you want me to post the Mods and the old identities on Kevin's site?
Actually, at this point, the ONLY reason I'm NOT doing that is because I have a friendship with ******. Since I do still have respect for him/her, I will continue to honor my promise of silence...even if you DO think I broke it.
I'm not impressed with you or Daniel at this point because YOU BOTH showed a lack of integrity in not coming to me with suspected rumors(which were not true, by the way) and giving me a chance to respond.
You would have seen that things are exactly as I explained them to you.
Yes, Julian...you have everything in writing...and we both know that there isn't anything more there that I haven't openly admitted to you. And you know what? If you had come to me with concerns, and actually talked with me about it openly...I would have told you the exact same thing that you supposedly "discovered".
OK....thanks for indulging me. Sorry...this is a "personalized thread". It wouldn't be allowed on FAIR. LOLOL :lol:
Sput asked if it was true that we couldn't hack it without protection. Much is made out of the fact that LDS are protected here. So what happens when a thread is set up and the moderators don't protect? The antis stomp out, completely oblivious to the hypocrisy of criticizing us because we won't go into a worse situation on their board.
What has happened to LDS who have ventured there? How much substance vs bluster do we find on MDB....not to mention obscenity, attacks on appearance, body parts and personal life. And because they can't get enough LDS there to feed everyone...they pretend it is a weakness on our part. Yet, they cannot stand up to a few posters here in one thread without making more excuses and running. Rich.
don't think that the reason that LDS left ZLMB was because they couldn't hack it or tolerate it in the moderating environment there.
I think many LDS left because it got annoying, inane, and boring there. There were fewer and fewer "meaty" threads and substantial posters. Beastie disavows the "glory days" of ZLMB but it was a happening place there before, I believe, she showed up there. There was also an influx of a bunch of folks that just wanted to cause trouble and constantly nip at the heels of LDS posters. I got bored with it as did many others and the FAIR mb started picking up so many of us just moved from ZLMB to FAIR. No one I know left because they weren't "protected" or it because the moderation wasn't biased to the LDS.
So, in order not to fuel the ire of Sput, I don't think LDS need a "protected" place or biased moderation, I think they want an interesting, stimulating, and non-profane (temple and vulgarity) place.
Alter Idem wrote:beastie wrote:by the way,
Serious question - does anyone know how old Sput is? I'm beginning to suspect I may be debating a fourteen year old, which would be embarrassing. I guess that's always one risk of internet boards.
I would say "Sput" is probably in his late twenties to early thirties. He's stated that he was out of the church for 14 years, 8 of which while married. He came back to the church maybe a year ago. He's also mentioned that he serves as Elders Quorum Pres. I think he is quite familiar with this board--probably monitoring it for some months, so he is familiar with the posters here. You guys would have a better idea than me if he's been posting here.
liz3564 wrote:Edited to add---Juliann is now claiming that I have posted ALL of our email exchanges. Again, this is not true. This is the ONLY email exchange I have posted publicly. It involves a portion of one email, and the only reason I posted it was to defend my position since I obviously couldn't defend my position at FAIR.