LSD Heightened Spiritual Experiences/Truth?

[_Nephi]

The "even the Bible ..." thing doesn't carry too much weight with me, but yes, dreams can tell us things, about ourselves, that we already know. Dreams are recycling of our experiences. I don't see God. I don't believe there is a God to see. Taking drugs to promote health says nothing about God to me. What does it say about God to you? What you are calling "tools" I would call distractions. Distractions from God. He didn't put those things here to help us, he didn't put them here at all. We created them for our own purposes and we are wasting time with them, and that's okay, but it doesn't hurt to notice it once in a while.

If dreams are nothing more than but hallucinations, but they can tell us things, not noticed by the conscious mind then why would a drug which causes hallucinations be any different? The big difference between dreams and drugs that cause hallucinations is that you are conscious when the drugs start to take effect, allowing you to control where you go and what things you want to know about, as compared to dreams which you are unconscious when they start up, allowing for no control over what they will show you.

God put all the plants and animals on earth for us to use, including marijuana and psychedelic mushrooms (among others). LSD may be man made, but causes the same effects, whether or not God put it here directly. God also tells us to use all things in wise and honest reasons, and in moderation. Are they distractions? Maybe, but not for everyone. Had I not taken the trips I had taken before, I seriously doubt I would have the concepts I have today about spirituality, nor would I have the ability to process symbols as I do now.

[_Nephi]

I'm seeing multiple personalities in you :)

That's the point. ;)


*edited to add* I'll probably hang on to this one for a few days. I'm feeling very bride of Frankensteinish

She's cute. Hey, you know Im Mormon, right? Wanna be a 2nd wife? I can make it kinky for ya ;)

[_barrelomonkeys]

I'm seeing multiple personalities in you :)

That's the point. ;)


*edited to add* I'll probably hang on to this one for a few days. I'm feeling very bride of Frankensteinish

She's cute. Hey, you know I'm Mormon, right? Wanna be a 2nd wife? I can make it kinky for ya ;)

Heh! Yer wife would hate me. Count on it. Thanks though. ;P

[_Nephi]

I'm seeing multiple personalities in you :)

That's the point. ;)


*edited to add* I'll probably hang on to this one for a few days. I'm feeling very bride of Frankensteinish

She's cute. Hey, you know I'm Mormon, right? Wanna be a 2nd wife? I can make it kinky for ya ;)

Heh! Yer wife would hate me. Count on it. Thanks though. ;P

I dunno. My wife used to like girls before me and stuff...

Whops! Hijacked our own thread. back to drugs and stuff...

[_barrelomonkeys]

I dunno. My wife used to like girls before me and stuff...

Whops! Hijacked our own thread. back to drugs and stuff...

Well I used to like (you caught me in the midst of a meltdown)

Back to drugs!

~carry on~

*psst* I wonder what they're saying about you on MAD right now. ;P

[_Gazelam]

Its precisely that type of humor that would keep you from ever having been asked to have been a practitioner of polygamy.

If you wish to act as a defender of the faith, please try to uphold a role where people would actually desire to be like you as opposed to shunning your company.

[_huckelberry]

I know a person who thinks he saw god on LSD. He has not changed that view even though it was decades ago. I am a skeptic. My experience says that the stuff causes a person to mix perceptual mental process with concept forming mental processes. You see your ideas but in a not so orderly fashion. There are conceptual process alterations that can be fun, interesting. New combinations can be interesting and conceivably someone could learn something from a new combination. They are a bit out of controll and serious psychological and coneptual confusions can result. People speak of being able to handle it have been lucky. Saw a couple too many people journey to la la land in 1969.

Wow. 1969? You are old! ;P

All your friends were in transit and you were always on ground control?

My comments are personal experience seen from a substantial distance in time. Started college with Jimi, are you experienced, shooting rainbows over the campus.

LSD in small dose creates highten perseption and seeing relations differently. A somewhat lager dose will generate very real hullicinations.

If one was aware of God then that would be part of your understanding that could become a part of your experience on LSD. I do not see that God would have to make any special allowance for that to be. On the other hand people might experience their idea of god. Or it is possible that people might connect the word god to a perceptual vantage point where things are interconnected.(or some variety of that)

One interesting observation is that one can learn that what we experience in sober daily awareness is a construct of our imagination which our mind works hard to match up to the sense data our eyes ears and touch are giving us. We do not see reality but a movie we are creating. Naturally this process is ordered enough and virtually involuntary that we believe we are seeing things directly. The realization might make a person cautious about accepting the testimony of visions at face value. Any vision might be a construct of the imagination.

[_Blixa]

When I first read that, Nephi, I thought you'd called someone a "slug." ; )

I like my one hallucination (migraine aura I mentioned, I think in Nephi's first thread on this) better now than when I was experiencing it. Looking at representations of, or things inspired by migraine aura is more fascinating to me now than when I first read Oliver Sacks on Hildegard of Bingen.

[_Nephi]

Its precisely that type of humor that would keep you from ever having been asked to have been a practitioner of polygamy.

If you wish to act as a defender of the faith, please try to uphold a role where people would actually desire to be like you as opposed to shunning your company.

Polygamy is not for me, and never will be. I defend my faith. A religion is but a religion. My role I am upholding is one that God has a sense of humor, and therefore it is okay to joke about.

[_Blixa]

Its precisely that type of humor that would keep you from ever having been asked to have been a practitioner of polygamy.

If you wish to act as a defender of the faith, please try to uphold a role where people would actually desire to be like you as opposed to shunning your company.

Say wha?

I don't want to necessarily be like every one I like...and Nephi was I think merely channeling that Sex Machine of Southern Utah, John D. Lee, in his remarks...