Mormons don't really believe in revelation by the Spirit.

[_The Nehor]

It'd be helpful if the prophet could come up with some revelation that works for ALL people, and not just a select minority who fit the "ideal." I find the Proclamation a harmful tool in making people feel discouraged about themselves and look down on others, and it leads people to pass by chances for real happiness as they seek only the "ideal" for themselves according to what they think God wants for them.

If your "ideal" are those who believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and all that comes with it then they're the people he's talking to. I wouldn't hold my breath on waiting for the Prophet to give counsel specifically to those who ignore his counsel. I'll expect that on the day he starts giving specialized counsel for homosexual relationships and on how to safely maintain a moderate drug habit.

If you find the counsel of the Prophets unworkable or are sure that you are the exception then you need to turn to God to get your own counsel. If you're not in a spiritual place where you can get that counsel then you need to get there.

[_Sister Mary Lisa]

It'd be helpful if the prophet could come up with some revelation that works for ALL people, and not just a select minority who fit the "ideal." I find the Proclamation a harmful tool in making people feel discouraged about themselves and look down on others, and it leads people to pass by chances for real happiness as they seek only the "ideal" for themselves according to what they think God wants for them.

If your "ideal" are those who believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and all that comes with it then they're the people he's talking to. I wouldn't hold my breath on waiting for the Prophet to give counsel specifically to those who ignore his counsel. I'll expect that on the day he starts giving specialized counsel for homosexual relationships and on how to safely maintain a moderate drug habit.

If you find the counsel of the Prophets unworkable or are sure that you are the exception then you need to turn to God to get your own counsel. If you're not in a spiritual place where you can get that counsel then you need to get there.

I know what I need, and I've found it without help from the god you speak of. It's awesome. Thanks for the counsel, though.

[_Equality]

I'm saying this as someone who spent a few weeks himself to sleep over not being with a girl that was perfect in every way except for her religious and spiritual life.

This, to me, is sad. (((((The Nehor))))). To have given up a perfect mate for the Mormon Fraud is a terrible tragedy, in my view. I can understand a little better now why you cling so strongly to the LDS gospel even in the face of overwhelming evidence against it.

[_The Nehor]

I know what I need, and I've found it without help from the god you speak of. It's awesome. Thanks for the counsel, though.

Maybe you have. I'm not sure why you care what the Proclamation says then. Those (like you) who reject our God and the Church I belong to will at best see it as a statement of principle by 'them'. I'm not sure why it saddens you that it is there.

[_Sister Mary Lisa]

I know what I need, and I've found it without help from the god you speak of. It's awesome. Thanks for the counsel, though.

Maybe you have. I'm not sure why you care what the Proclamation says then. Those (like you) who reject our God and the Church I belong to will at best see it as a statement of principle by 'them'. I'm not sure why it saddens you that it is there.

It saddens me for my hundreds of friends and family and acquaintances who DO believe it is the ideal they will never attain, who are affected negatively because of that misguided belief. It is so sad to see awesome single mothers and wonderful mixed families and beautiful gay people who suffer under the delusion that the life they lead is not ideal in God's eyes. I hate when my beloved friends and family are treated poorly by others who judge them for the lives they lead, which are no cause for shame in the least. I hate when people like you are unable to be with the one they love, because they feel that there is only one path to true happiness.

[_The Nehor]

I'm saying this as someone who spent a few weeks himself to sleep over not being with a girl that was perfect in every way except for her religious and spiritual life.

This, to me, is sad. (((((The Nehor))))). To have given up a perfect mate for the Mormon Fraud is a terrible tragedy, in my view. I can understand a little better now why you cling so strongly to the LDS gospel even in the face of overwhelming evidence against it.

Ahhhh....every so often I forget why I stopped discussing serious/spiritual things here and decided to stick with one-liners, quips, and jokes. Then something like this happens. Thanks for the reminder.

[_The Nehor]

I hate when people like you are unable to be with the one they love, because they feel that there is only one path to true happiness.

There is only one path. MY PATH. That was not it. It sure looked like it though.

[_asbestosman]

That's not what the Bible says:
1 Cor. 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Still, I agree that she didn't have to justify it to her family.

I'll take John Locke over the delusional Saul/Paul any day. You'll have to do better than an appeal to a most questionable authori-tay if you are going to persuade someone with, you know, a brain.

That you thought I was trying to persuade you suggests that your brain leaves much to be desired. I was simply stating a fact. The Bible does in fact say what I said it did. The point of such fact wasn't to convince you that what the Bible said is correct (although it is), but rather to demonstrate that many people do not share your delusions that they should be able to do whatever they want with "their" bodies or life. Of course I don't expect you to agree.

[_asbestosman]

Have the prophets or apostles ever made a mistake? (Speaking in an official capacity as a leader of the church). Any examples you could share?

I'm not sure. Keep in mind that I believe that God will not permit the prophet to lead the church astray.

Do you think prophets and apostles pray for inspiration?

Yes, of course.

Do you think they believe they are inspired when they are speaking in an official capacity as prophets and leaders of the LDS church?

I will give a qualified yes. I don't know that they imagine that every thing that comes from their mouths while speaking in official capacity was whispered in their ear by the Holy Ghost. Rather I think they can rest assured that God will not let them lead the church astray.

How would you suggest the FLDS, CoC, Scientologists, Buddhists, Sikh, Hindus etc. etc. etc. etc. discern between inspiration and their intuition/desires/personal wishes/etc?

I do not concern myself with them. I assume God gives light and knowledge to others as they are prepared for it, but I do not think they are particularly blessed with discernment.

How do you account for members of the church praying for inspiration yet receiving very different "truths"?

There could be many reasons whether it's a lack of experience, lack of righteousness (including pride), or perhaps something else where God only reveals part to each as they need it.

[_Sister Mary Lisa]

All I saw were these words:

. . . your brain. . .much desired. . .

Something whispered to me that this is true.