Why I?????m Voting for Obama and Mormonism

[_Phaedrus Ut]

Oh--and Mormonism. If Mitt Romney would have stuck to the values he expressed when he ran for office in Massachusetts, he’d totally be my guy in the election now. It's a shame he had to pander to the Republican base and that they rejected him because of his religion. Would I vote for Romney in 2012? I really don’t think America can afford a president who panders to the far-right the way he has lately, so unless he were to credibly go back to his more moderate self, then probably not.

I was working in Boston when Mitt was elected. It was in bad shape coming off the dot-com boom and nasdaq crash. Huge budget deficits, bloated public programs. He cleaned it up well and instituted gay marriage and universal health care. He was a fiscal conservative in the best tradition and he was socially moderate that seemed to match his education.

The irony to me is that the most liberal state in the nation elects a Mormon, Republican Governor but he is unelectable nationally without pandering to the christian right of the party.

I lost respect for both Romney and McCain for selling out their independent thinking in their lust for power.


Phaedrus

[_antishock8]

edit2: ie... He's been groomed. It would be interesting to know who called who, and who essentially opened the door for him to go to Harvard.

Obviously, it was a terrorist bent on destroying America who got Obama into Colombia and Harvard, elected Obama as the president of the Harvard Law Review, and landed him a job at the University of Chicago Law School.

From wikipedia:

Political views

In an interview published in 1995, Ayers characterized his political beliefs at that time and in the 1960s and 1970s: "I am a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist ... [Laughs] Maybe I'm the last communist who is willing to admit it. [Laughs] We have always been small 'c' communists in the sense that we were never in the Communist party and never Stalinists. The ethics of Communism still appeal to me. I don't like Lenin as much as the early Marx. I also like Henry David Thoreau, Mother Jones and Jane Addams [...]"[35] In 1970 Ayers was called "a national leader"[36] of the Weatherman organization and "one of the chief theoreticians of the Weathermen" by The New York Times.[37] The Weathermen were initially part of the Revolutionary Youth Movement (RYM) within the SDS, splitting from the RYM's Maoists by claiming there was no time to build a vanguard party and that revolutionary war against the United States government and the capitalist system should begin immediately. Their founding document called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[38] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."[39] In June 1974, the Weather Underground released a 151-page volume titled Prairie Fire, which stated: "We are a guerrilla organization [...] We are communist women and men underground in the United States [...]"[40] The Weatherman leadership, including Bill Ayers, pushed for a radical reformulation of sexual relations under the slogan "Smash Monogamy".[41][42]

Has William Ayers changed his political views since easing B.O. into Harvard, the Illinois Senate, and then the US Senate?



Hammer and Sickle Workers UNITE! ACORN! Yes We Can! Change!

[_antishock8]

2002:

I considered myself partly an anarchist then and consider myself partly an anarchist now. I mean I'm as much an anarchist as I am a Marxist.... I'm very open about what I think and nobody here is surprised by what I think.
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Is one of those regrets that I took extreme measures against the United States at a time of tremendous crisis? No it is not. I don't regret that. The people of the world are being exploited and oppressed and militarized by the great imperialist powers, led by the United States. That is the situation today in my view.
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And I'm not sorry about anything that I participated to try to end that war or against that government that was waging that war.

2004:

If we were being fair and open-minded, then if you looked around at the world today, you would say the greatest purveyor of of violence, as King said, is our own government. ...
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White supremacy and racism continues to be the dagger point of American democracy. I do believe that. I believed it then, I believe it now.

2006:

We were anti-authoritarian, anti-orthodoxy, communist street fighters.
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I want to embrace...draft resisters, deserters, tax avoiders...
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If we know we hope to achieve a democratic and socialist world, a culture of life and love, our strategy and tactics are informed by filling that vision out on the ground...
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I went to Camp Casey in August precisely because I'm an agnostic about how and where the rebellion will break out, but I know I want to be there and I know it will break out...
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Opposing aggressive war is always urgent, but for revolutionaries we need to both be fully activated in the opposition...

2008:

On the death penalty, I’m an abolitionist; on education and health care, a universalist; on economic growth, a minimalist, while on economic policy, a socialist; on military power deployed in the service of occupation and conquest, a pacifist; on the possibility of progressive political change, a pessimist of the head and an optimist of the heart.

I mean, Jesus. Jesus fecking Christ. I mean, holy feck. What does it take to wake up to this very real situation we're about to put into the White House?

McCain is a good choice when faced with B.O., who has been personally groomed to ascend to the Presdency. I cannot understand the need to emplace a Socialist into the White House. And yes, if you look at his voting record... He is a Socialist. And not the good kind. Not the kind that is all about building bridges and repairing roads using public funding. No. He's the ACORN kind. The Reverend Wright kind. He may speak calmly, and scoff at people pointing out his own record and his behavior, but he is a Socialist. The fecked up kind.

*shaking head*

[_richardMdBorn]

In the absence of grades, how do we know that Obama did not get into Harvard as a result of affirmative action rather than on merit.

Way to play the race card, Richard.

How is this playing the race card?> You asserted that

Figure this: Obama graduated from Columbia University with good enough grades to get into Harvard Law. McCain graduated near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy and thus ended his academic life.

We don't know what grades Obama got at Columbia. Did Harvard Law have affirmative action programs when Obama was applying to it? Of course it did. I guess stating facts is playing the race card in your opinion. Shakes head - bye

[_Analytics]

Has William Ayers changed his political views since easing B.O. into Harvard, the Illinois Senate, and then the US Senate?

You honestly think Ayers did anything to get Obama into Harvard? They didn't even meet until after Harvard! Have aliens implanted something into your brain? Be sure to keep that tinfoil hat on or the black helicopters will get you!

[_The Dude]

I guess stating facts is playing the race card in your opinion. Shakes head - bye

Of course not all statements of fact are race cards. Instead, it is the way facts may be used to diminish someone by appealing to race. It's the way you use the facts that makes your argument cheap (and saying it has been used against conservative Clarence Thomas is no excuse for you).

[_Droopy]

Out of morbid curiosity, what exactly has history taught us in the last century?

That people like Barack Obama, if left to their own devices, ruin economies, scar and impoverish human potential, and level, flatten, and emaciate entire peoples culturally, intellectually, morally, and economically. We've also seen that their core, fundamental beliefs, if taken to their logical conclusion, can fill graves from horizon to horizon. Obama's close associate at the Chicago Annenburg Challenge, William Ayers, had already gone to this level some 40 years ago, in his own limited way. Obama's other close friend and mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a supporter of perhaps (behind only Mao)the most oppressive, barbaric, and murderous ideology and political system in human history.

Then there's his membership in and association with the DSA and the New Party. And then their's Saul Alinsky, Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour, Carl Davidson, John L. McKnight, the Gamaliel Foundation, the Socialist Scholars Conference, and I could go on and on. But why? Obama does not have supporters so much as followers, a key distinction, and one Analytics has made well here.

But that doesn't address my point. The point is, was it really the best way to spend so much American blood and a trillion dollars of our hard-earned money?

No. Its much better spending three trillion dollars destroying the black family. Or, we could have just let Saddam continue with his WMD programs until they became a clear and present danger, and he actually used them on us. Then, in the 11nth hour, or after midnight, we could respond (with appropriate multicultural sensitivity, of course) We could send Jimmy Carter, Warren Christopher, and the French to Baghdad to beg his forgiveness for being Americans and for kissing up to those apes and pigs over in the Little Satan. Yes, we could do it your way Analytics.

It seems that the most relevent lesson from history is that the high-price of military dominance is what kills super powers.

The most relevant lesson of history here is that leftism is the worship of power and the nemesis of liberty from time immemorial and in all its forms, even the slick and silver tongued form of The Man From A.C.O.R.N.

[_aussieguy55]

Its seems now the McCain camp have accepted the inevitable

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14891.html

I can't wait to see the look on the faces of Hannity and O'Reilly. Hannity has an obsession about Wright, Ayres etc.

Also Michael Moore (with his Plumbers for Obama doing work in lower socioeconomic areas) must feel vindicated

Only problems is where after 8 years are Jon Stewart and Stephen Cobert going to get their material from

[_Brackite]

Here are some of the Reasons why I am Voting for U.S. Senator John McCain for U.S. President.

1. U.S. Senator John McCain has the better Experience on Foreign Policy Relations. U.S. Senator John McCain is Pro-Israel.

2. U.S. Senator John McCain Voted Yes for the Ban on the barbaric Practice of Partial-Birth Abortion back in 1999, and again back in 2003.
Please Check Out and See:
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_ ... n_id=53270
And:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r ... vote=00402

U.S. Senator John McCain is Pro-Life.

3. U.S. Senator John McCain is a Federalist, who believes in the Rights of the States. U.S. Senator John McCain is a strong believer and a strong supporter of the Rights of States and of the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. For Example and For Instance: Back in 2004, When Mr. President George W. Bush was strongly Pushing for a new Amendment to the U.S. Constitution to ban gay Marriages in all of the 50 States, U.S. Senator John McCain of Arizona, stood up against that Proposed new Amendment. (1)
Please Check Out and See:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/ ... .marriage/

Another Example and Instance, Is U.S. Senator John McCains' disagreement with the Roe vs. Wade decision. Abortion was already legalize in 17 states for various reasons and for various circumstances, before the Roe vs. Wade decision, in January of 1973. (2) Roe vs. Wade took the abortion issue out of the hand of the States, and Forced all of the 50 states to legalize abortions up to about the 24th week of Pregnancy. I do believe that Roe vs. Wade decision by the Supreme Court in January of 1973, Violates the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

4. U.S. Senator John McCain's Pick for his running mate, a Great Governor, Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin. Governor Sarah Palin is Pro-Life, Fiscally Consecrative, and She had about an 80% Approval Rating within Alaska, when U.S. Senator John McCain Picked Her as His running mate.

5. U.S. Senator John McCain is Himself indeed Fiscally Consecrative. I believe that the Economy and the Federal Budget will be better handle and better off during an John McCain Presidential Administration.



I do strongly think and believe that U.S. Senator John McCain is the most Qualified U.S. Presidential Candidate to be U.S. President since Ronald Reagan ran for President and Won, Back in the Year of 1980.


1. Senator John McCain is for California's Proposition Eight (8), Which is a California Constitutional Amendment that supports and defines the traditional View of Marriage, as one man and one woman. However, Senator John McCain will respect the decision of the voters of the State of California, Whether the majority of them decide to Pass Proposition 8 or not.

2. http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_boo ... both_8.asp



Edited to Correct two Spelling errors.

[_Bond James Bond]

4. U.S. Senator John McCain's Pick for his running mate, a Great Governor, Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin. Governor Sarah Palin is Pro-Life, Fiscally Consecrative, and She had about an 80% Approval Rating within Alska, when U.S. Senator John McCain Picked Her as His running mate.

I wonder what her approval rating is now now that people have seen her exposed as a moronic liar.