Thanks for your feedback Eric, I do respect what you have to say.
I really don't want to drag this out any further - but I also don't agree with you on this, Marg (and you know I agree with you on lots).
Agreed don't like to drag this out, for one thing anything written tends to be blown out of greater proportion than if said verbally. One can read and reread the written word and analyize it to death.
For what it's worth, if Moniker was ever "wanting male attention" all she would need to do is use a real picture of herself for her avatar. Seriously. The fact that she doesn't says A LOT.
Frankly there is no problem with anyone male or female wanting attention sexually. No problem whatsoever with that.
She doesn't (nor does anyone else) deserve to be attacked for the actions, or the immature reactions, of online weirdoes.
I don't suggest anyone deserves to be attacked. My argument has only been that based on posts if someone presents themselves as sexually liberal, not likely to be offended by a proposition, it is not unreasonable for any male or female for that matter to pick up on sexual cues and act on them. There's nothing wrong with that. And I do believe based on my perception of what was written on the board that cues were given, that's the other argument I've made.
I have given this greater consideration over the last day or so, tried to empathize and I think I'm finally getting what the crux of the matter is.
When a woman is perceived to be sexually available, unrepressed, adventurous, loose...males tend to lose respect and treat those women as objects, as a temporary game. Some women can handle that and might even enjoy it. The same doesn't apply to men as much. Men don't get treated with the same disrespect if they are sexually available. And even if they did, I think many wouldn't mind it. Take you for example, do you care if women think you are easy to get into bed with? :) The word is out Eric, all around L.A. , it's even heading to Canada. lol Now are you concerned?
So the crux of the matter here is disrespect, not that propositions were made. It's rumors, lots of proposition which were indicative of disrespect. And that didn't develop solely by board postings. That same sequence of events if it happened to a male would not likely have resulted in the same disrespect shown.
We're talking about a people who have a very weird, bizarre, and in my opinion perverted view of sexuality.
Not really Eric, it's human nature. It's the way it is. Men do classify women into "easy sexual conquests" who they often will disrespect versus "good women" who they treat with respect. I've heard you say this to me yourself, that you want a "good" woman like your first girlfriend, not one of the easy ones that you've sexually had fun with temporarily.
On top of that, men in general will misconstrue any form of politeness or friendliness from the opposite sex (or maybe not) as a come on. This is a fact. I'm convinced that the cute blonde girl at the AT&T store yesterday was into me. If, during our interaction, I creep-ishly suggested we head back to my place for a microwave pizza and some Robot Chicken I would be out of line. Not her. No matter how "flirty" she was.
Not really Eric, you wouldn't be out of line propositioning her. But generally people who are serious about another for a long term relationship want to know the person on a deeper level than just sexually and that takes time, care and consideration.
And might I add, if more men listened to the teachings of Professor Tom Leykis, and followed the tenets of Leykis 101, things like this wouldn't happen. That's all I'm going to say about that.
Blow me up, Tom.
Again not really Eric. Leykis is basically advising guys from what I can gather by my very brief exposure, to not get taken in by girls using sex to trap a guy for selfish purposes. And that a guy should focus on establishing a career first and foremost before worrying about developing a serious relationship, for his own best interests and actually that of his future family should he have one.