The problem with Moroni's challenge

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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:Yes, you asserted that, but would you like to explain how?


I don't deny that feelings play a part, but there are impressions on the midn, thoughts and ideas, there are voices involved. Its not just feelings.


So, feelings and thoughts. Plus voices? Do you actually hear voices?

How do you separate your own feelings and your own thoughts from ones that are supposedly being telepathically put there by the Holy Ghost?
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Chap wrote:You hear voices?


'fraid so. Pearls before swine? I hope not.
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Buffalo wrote:So, feelings and thoughts. Plus voices? Do you actually hear voices?

How do you separate your own feelings and your own thoughts from ones that are supposedly being telepathically put there by the Holy Ghost?


Admittedly not an easy nor foolproof task, I'd say. You run with some things, test it out, and determine how it works for you. If it works, then cool. If it doesn't then uh oh. That's putting it with brevity, but the gist is in that.
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stemelbow wrote:
Chap wrote:You hear voices?


'fraid so. Pearls before swine? I hope not.


Hmm, no comment. You can probably guess my opinion.
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Re: The problem with Moroni's challenge

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stemelbow wrote:
I don't deny that feelings play a part, but there are impressions on the midn, thoughts and ideas, there are voices involved. Its not just feelings.


Another words feelings. I feel I am being watched. I feel I should go this way. Etc, Etc, Etc. Thoughts are described using the word feelings all the time. Also one of the big problems when trying to determine reliability or if it works for you is confirmation bias.
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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:So, feelings and thoughts. Plus voices? Do you actually hear voices?

How do you separate your own feelings and your own thoughts from ones that are supposedly being telepathically put there by the Holy Ghost?


Admittedly not an easy nor foolproof task, I'd say. You run with some things, test it out, and determine how it works for you. If it works, then cool. If it doesn't then uh oh. That's putting it with brevity, but the gist is in that.


Stem, you realise that's not a description of finding the truth through the Holy Ghost, what you describe is trial and error.
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jon wrote:Stem, you realise that's not a description of finding the truth through the Holy Ghost, what you describe is trial and error.


I believe you misunderstood (which was probably my fault). Please review. The trial and error comes about as a means to determine whether promptings (which I say are more than feelings) are truly via the Holy Ghost.
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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:If the voices told you to kill someone (like Abraham) or to have relations with someone other than your spouse (like Joseph Smith and the married women he had relations with) would you?

Thanks,

Hasa Diga Eebowai


These polemical hypotheticals are cute. I'm not saying my experiences are anywhere near those of Abraham or Joseph Smith.
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