The alleged misconduct is that JD and Rosebud were already having a sexual relationship and that John pressured her to leave Open Stories Foundation because he couldn't trust himself to be in the same city as her and not pursue her and when she wouldn't, John leveraged their sexual relationship in order to get her fired and him re-hired as a podcaster receiving 100% of podcast proceeds. He not only got rid of her and shut down her work, he was able to leverage a better work arrangement as a result.
I don't see him pursuing her in the texts; perhaps I missed it. What I do see of the texts from July to August shows that Rosebud is pursuing him. The sexual harassment and coercion really looks like its coming from the other end. I see John Dehlin saying "no no" and Rosebud saying "I need you i want you" etc. in pretty explicit terms.
Option 2 in that letter is interesting. Did she ever make it onto Ellen?
John has repeatedly violated federal tax code in personally benefiting from pass-through tax-deductible donations to himself to fund his PhD and pay for his personal expenses.
That's an interesting claim. Almost no one in the United States funds their own PhD. That's not how it works. Many (most) even provide a stipend.
We’ve seen this same MO from Rosebud for years, and it has only eroded her credibility. Why do you think more of the same from you will have different results?
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You're so vain, you probably think all of this is about you.
The Reverend has been trying to get on Ellen for years.
If I were Rosebud, I’d likely ask my “friends” to stop trying to white-knight for me on forums. Each time someone (who is totally not her) posts to support her, they end up eroding away at her credibility and making it more difficult to be overall sympathetic.
I’d hope that her friends at this point would do what many on this forum (and its predecessor) have tried to do. Convince her to begin the healing process in earnest, and seek out the assistance of a professional mental healthcare practitioner.
And to think that this train wreck is a victim advocate! What a calling card! “Hello, my name is Rosebud. I’ll be your advocate. I specialize in empty allegations and delusional threats. My special talent is never giving up, even when I am losing ground.”
Of course, the real pay off here is attention. For Rosebud, the real joy is garnering the attention she was robbed of when she lost her Open Stories Foundation gig. Negative, positive, it doesn’t matter. Attention is sweet.
It is Mike Norton and Mitt Romney's temple ceremony all over again. But for years and years.
She's definitely changed tactics.
1) Find someone who doesn't know the difference between being an asshole and sexually harassing someone
2) Send them some of the emails and texts
3) Have them tell everyone "I've seen the evidence and I agree with Rosebud but I can't tell you any of the evidence"
I can't imagine how exhausting and distressing it is for John knowing that this woman has dedicated the rest of her life to finding new ways to keep these lies alive.
If I hear the words drano and orange juice that will be a sure sign were in the matrix.
If I hear the words drano and orange juice that will be a sure sign were in the matrix.
LOL and that is drama inception because now New Name Noah is on the chopping block. Maybe we'll learn something sordid about James Patterson's past soon?
LOL and that is drama inception because now New Name Noah is on the chopping block. Maybe we'll learn something sordid about James Patterson's past soon?
Dear me, I hope not. I would prefer that everyone stop stirring the pot. Let James Patterson keep his secrets.
I can't imagine how exhausting and distressing it is for John knowing that this woman has dedicated the rest of her life to finding new ways to keep these lies alive.
If there were anything to this 8-year-old affair, I'm sure the New Hampshire Human Rights Commission would have called INTERPOL to deal with it years ago. Also, the guy gets money to bitch about Mormonism on a podcast. I'm sure he'll be fine.
The real threat to his base would have been the racism charge; that can ruin someone permanently in this moment. I'm still appalled at a time like this no one has gone after him for calling the police on a Black man; have we learned nothing this past year about the proper way of going after a (barely) public figure? It's true that it's not forgotten, but it's obvious this eight-year-old issue matters a lot more to people who look up to Dehlin than being a racist dick does. Just look at how many replies this thread has and how fast they've come, and compare that to the Kwaku apology thread. No one cares about that now.
Dehlin is a really savvy media operator here: the conversation could have gone to a very damaging place for him, but instead people are re-talking about an issue that has already been over-talked a hundred times. This looks like Trump-level media manipulation.
Hey, JP - speaking just for myself, I've never really liked JD. His podcasts are mostly derivative and his obvious love for the spotlight a bit too much for my tastes. I've long been wary of the cult of personality surrounding him; a phenomenon he both cultivates and craves. If I were an ends justify the means guy, I would hop on your bandwagon in a hot minute, but I'm not and I won't. This isn't my circus and not my monkeys. It should be painfully obvious to you by now that any approach which relies on the claims of Rosebud isn't going to get traction around here. She literally killed that YEARS ago. It's time to pack up your tent and move on. This isn't fertile ground for your dog and pony show; we've seen it before and we know how it ends.
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Maybe someone should contact James Patterson to check if his persona is being used without his knowledge here.
That’s a good idea since this user didn’t know his name was still attached to another site. This is really starting to feel like Rosebud posting again. It could be both, frankly, tag teaming.
Ok. So neither JP nor Rosebud have any proof. Got it. Nothing has changed.
