And of tenets thou shalt not talk

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Re: And of tenets thou shalt not talk

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LittleNipper wrote:
Tobin wrote:So you claim, but all I see you doing it attacking Mormons and what they believe. Mormons, such as myself, already know what we believe. You aren't going to tell me something I don't already know (or haven't already heard), so why are you here if not to persecute Mormons with your little website?


So what do YOU believe?


I believe in a God that exists and actually talks with us today. How about you?
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Tobin wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:So what do YOU believe?


I believe in a God that exists and actually talks with us today. How about you?

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Tobin wrote:So you claim, but all I see you doing it attacking Mormons and what they believe. Mormons, such as myself, already know what we believe. You aren't going to tell me something I don't already know (or haven't already heard), so why are you here if not to persecute Mormons with your little website?

I believe in a God that exists and actually talks with us today. How about you?

I believe God has given us the Bible for that very reason.
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LittleNipper wrote:
Tobin wrote:So you claim, but all I see you doing it attacking Mormons and what they believe. Mormons, such as myself, already know what we believe. You aren't going to tell me something I don't already know (or haven't already heard), so why are you here if not to persecute Mormons with your little website?

I believe in a God that exists and actually talks with us today. How about you?

I believe God has given us the Bible for that very reason.


I see. When Jesus comes back, is he going to be mute during the second coming?
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Mittens wrote:Just like telling the Truth about the Mormon Faith, if you don't like the Truth you can leave


For Mittens and for Albion:

This is a Mormon Discussion site. YOU are the ones who came here to persecute those who have chosen the LDS Church in which to worship God. We are not seeking you out.

Mittens and Albion, do you love God?

Mark 12:30-31 (KJV)

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

1 John 2:4 (KJV)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 4:18-21 (KJV)

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

19 We love him, because he first loved us.

20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.


As far as I am concerned, you are my sister and my brother in Christ. Sadly, I do not think either of you are able to say the same of me, or of Tobin. If I am incorrect, please let me know. Indeed, I believe it is fair for me to say that you are both trying to convert me and Tobin to your belief system(s). You are anxious for us to give up our faith in our Savior, Jesus Christ, in order for us to be "saved" by your version of our Savior, Jesus Christ. Unless we do this, you consider and judge us damned for all of eternity. Nevertheless, I believe that both of you will be saved regardless of which belief system you choose in order to worship God.

Blessings,

jo
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JO, when 60,000 salesmen go knocking on people's doors, sometimes mine, I would call that seeking us out. I am willing to accept that the motivation is sincere even though I cannot agree with the message. Too bad you are unable to see that in those who disagree with you and use this door on which to do their knocking....something perfectly acceptable as I read the board parameters. There is no spiritual fellowship between Christian believers and Mormon believers...how could there possibly be given Smith's foundational statements and the vast differences in Biblical belief, not to mention all the add on stuff of Mormonism? If your definition of God is the Mormon God then I certainly don't believe in that...I do take seriously, however, the charge given in Matthew 28:19-20.
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Tobin wrote:So you claim, but all I see you doing it attacking Mormons and what they believe. Mormons, such as myself, already know what we believe. You aren't going to tell me something I don't already know (or haven't already heard), so why are you here if not to persecute Mormons with your little website?
I believe in a God that exists and actually talks with us today. How about you?

LittleNipper wrote:[I believe God has given us the Bible for that very reason.


Tobin wrote:I see. When Jesus comes back, is he going to be mute during the second coming?

I believe in Revelations we are told what will happen and to whom. What more is needed? Jesus never said one word to Herod.
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LittleNipper wrote:
Tobin wrote:I see. When Jesus comes back, is he going to be mute during the second coming?

I believe in Revelations we are told what will happen and to whom. What more is needed? Jesus never said one word to Herod.

Fascinating. So according to you, the Bible renders God unable to speak ever again.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Albion wrote:JO, when 60,000 salesmen go knocking on people's doors, sometimes mine, I would call that seeking us out. I am willing to accept that the motivation is sincere even though I cannot agree with the message. Too bad you are unable to see that in those who disagree with you and use this door on which to do their knocking....something perfectly acceptable as I read the board parameters. There is no spiritual fellowship between Christian believers and Mormon believers...how could there possibly be given Smith's foundational statements and the vast differences in Biblical belief, not to mention all the add on stuff of Mormonism? If your definition of God is the Mormon God then I certainly don't believe in that...I do take seriously, however, the charge given in Matthew 28:19-20.


Now you have changed the goal posts. You are the one who said if we did not like hearing the Truth (that is, Truth as you believe it), then we could leave. Now, I see you are here because this is your version of seeking us out, as though you were a full-time Missionary devoting 18 months (the length of time a female Missionary serves) 24/7 serving God. Yet, you go on to add that you take seriously the charge given in Matthew 28:19-20.

If you really do take Matthew 28:19-20 seriously, then you will be able to understand why it is the LDS Missionaries are answering that call, because that is exactly what they are doing. Their tactic is not one which rips apart what you believe. They are there to share what they believe. When they are berated by the homeowner, or berated on the streets, they once more do what Jesus taught; they go on to the next door. Unlike you, they do not stick their foot into the door and make a captive audience of their listeners, and then proceed to tell that audience (the readers and participants on this site) that they will be damned if they don't heed your warnings. If the Missionaries are not welcomed, they move on.

All things being equal, your use of this site (which is indeed within your rights according to the board rules), is NOT equal to your going out with a companion to teach the Good News. Nor am I (I can't speak for Tobin) seeking YOU out on a website established for your belief system, and spending my time there using anti-Baptist literature telling you what is wrong with your beliefs. More importantly, I am not using derogatory and unChristian behavior to belittle your beliefs, to make fun of you, or to warn you that you are going to spend eternity in hell if you don't give up your beliefs.

I would have to disagree with you also, in that I have many Christian friends I spiritually fellowship with. It was actually a multi-denominational musical group (of which members of the LDS Church participated), which introduced me to the LDS Church. Praise God!!

So, do you love God? You did not answer this question yet.

Did Jesus teach that we should become zealots? Did Jesus provide His Apostles with anti-Jewish literature, or anti-Pagan literature, or anti-Gentile literature to use as an argument in favor of His teachings? In fact, aren't you doing the opposite of what Jesus taught us to do? You aren't teaching the Good News, Mittens. You are teaching what you think is wrong with what we believe.

Mark 9:38-40 (KJV) (emphasis added)

38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

40 For he that is not against us is on our part.


Do you love me like you love yourself?

Blessings,

jo
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Reference please as to where I said you could leave the board. Christians are called to not only spread the Gospel but to give a reason for the hope they have in Christ. That is indeed a full time practice. Some do it as real missionaries, devoting their entire lives to service in foreign countries, most do as and where they are able. I reject completely that Mormon "missionaries" are preaching the Gospel news. They are preaching the Mormon gospel, something entirely different and I suspect the only reason they move on when they get restiance from believers is to find those people who don't know any different to swallow their falsehoods. Except for characterizing Mormonism as the falsehood that it is I have not said one single "derogatory" thing about about any poster on this board...unlike the countless number of personal insults that have bee directed at me by supposedly "worthy" Mormons.....dumb. stupid. dense, and liar being some of them. Reference, too, where I have called anyone "damned" ...that simply is not my judgement to make though it is my responsibility to warn of the dangers of rejecting Jesus' call to full salvation through faith in him. You are quite welcome to spend time on a Baptist web site...I am sure those Baptist Christians are quite capable or handling your posts without resorting to crying foul.

The Mormon Church is among that group which scripture defines as ravening wolves set to decimate the flock... that you see it as some kind of angel of light not withstanding. I will not defend myself on this issue any longer and I make no apologies for upholding traditional Christianity to those who neither understand it nor accept it.
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