Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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Re: Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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Don Batten wrote:Tree ring dating (dendrochronology) has been used in an attempt to extend the calibration of carbon-14 dating earlier than historical records allow. The oldest living trees, such as the Bristlecone Pines (Pinus longaeva) of the White Mountains of Eastern California, were dated in 1957 by counting tree rings at 4,723 years old. This would mean they pre-dated the Flood which occurred around 4,350 years ago, taking a straightforward approach to Biblical chronology.

However, when the interpretation of scientific data contradicts the true history of the world as revealed in the Bible, then it's the interpretation of the data that is at fault.


Nipper, the creationist view point is that any data that contradicts the biblical narrative is faulty. Then it works to force the data to fit the conclusion. So the YEC is forced to say that the mountains sank, the ocean basins rose, and a variety of other events occurred to make the flood happen. This raises all kinds of secondary issues that make the flood look like something that occurred in my bathtub., But nevertheless, YEC models are working opposite of letting the evidence drive the narrative. They make the narrative drive the evidence, as they assume that the narrative is inerrant.

1 Kings 7:23
And he made the molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and the height thereof was five cubits; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.


So the Bible teaches us that pi = 3. Do you use 3 or the irrational pi = 3.1415926........ when you do math?
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Nipper, your IRC sites don't really help. They again are forcing the data to fit the pre determined conclusion.
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SteelHead wrote:
Don Batten wrote:Tree ring dating (dendrochronology) has been used in an attempt to extend the calibration of carbon-14 dating earlier than historical records allow. The oldest living trees, such as the Bristlecone Pines (Pinus longaeva) of the White Mountains of Eastern California, were dated in 1957 by counting tree rings at 4,723 years old. This would mean they pre-dated the Flood which occurred around 4,350 years ago, taking a straightforward approach to Biblical chronology.

However, when the interpretation of scientific data contradicts the true history of the world as revealed in the Bible, then it's the interpretation of the data that is at fault.


Nipper, the creationist view point is that any data that contradicts the biblical narrative is faulty. Then it works to force the data to fit the conclusion.

1 Kings 7:23
And he made the molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and the height thereof was five cubits; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.


So the Bible teaches us that pi = 3. Do you use 3 or the irrational pi = 3.1415926........ when you do math?
What you seem to fail to understand is that the Biblical equation furnishes the thickness of the lip or edge of that molten sea.
So let's review the data the Bible gives about that bowl:

1. Diameter of the brim to brim edges (10 cubits)
2. Height of the bowl (5 cubits)
3. Circumference of the body of the bowl (30 cubits).
4. Thickness of the brim (one hand width, about 4.5").

(Note: a cubit is 18" to 22" in length)

From these four dimensions the bowl can now be rendered:
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That is some pretty fuzzy math.......... ;)

But admittedly not any fuzzier than my volume estimates.
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SteelHead wrote:That is some pretty fuzzy math.......... ;)

http://www.icr.org/article/381/

The math is complete ---- the distractors are fuzzy... :lol:
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Question for the Great Flooders:

How did they feed all the animals on the Ark?
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That's a good question.

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Bond James Bond wrote:Question for the Great Flooders:

How did they feed all the animals on the Ark?

Some may have eaten insects. Some likely hybernated. Some many not have wanted to eat much. Also one might question kinds. Clearly, there are many animals which are not really a species to themselves. I believe many like animals share the same ancestors and envirornmental issues over a few thousand years has allowed designed varieties to abound. Simply look at man: Light, Dark, Tall Short, Fat, Skinny, Smart, Ignorant, Hairy, Bald, Muscular, Weak, Handsome, Ugly , number of toes and fingers ----- Then one can consider hair color, facial features, etc... Every finch is not its own species. This can be said of cats, dogs, cattle, sheep...
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