Drifting wrote:How does a perceived lack of closure on a brush with the Mormon cult indicate that a person doesn't have joy?
LittleNipper wrote:Christian joy comes from the security that the Christian feels, knowing that God is in control. The Bible tells us to rejoice in the Lord always. We should be joyful because security provides us with the a peace that passes understanding.
subgenius wrote:Drifting wrote:How does a perceived lack of closure on a brush with the Mormon cult indicate that a person doesn't have joy?
its not perceived, its actual as manifest by the post and that the post was made here.
Closure
Joy
unless you presume that such a pronouncement and lack of actually "leaving" as they compose the current delusion being experienced by the poster as "joy"?
(a joyful axe grinding?)
subgenius wrote:LittleNipper wrote:Christian joy comes from the security that the Christian feels, knowing that God is in control. The Bible tells us to rejoice in the Lord always. We should be joyful because security provides us with the a peace that passes understanding.
don't be so presumptuous about what "things are", especially when it come to what is Christian...it can easily be seen as pontificating.
Sometimes it is best to just lead one to the scriptures and let them find their own way....
Joy can easily be viewed as a condition of great happiness coming from righteous living. The purpose of mortal life is for all people to have joy (2 Ne. 2:22–25). A full joy will come only through Jesus Christ (John 15:11; D&C 93:33–34; 101:36).
The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, Gal. 5:22
Drifting wrote:You still don't get it do you...
Kittens can experience joy with or without religion, with or without resignation from Mormonism, with or with a deity belief system.
Maybe you can't because of some mental conditioning, but most people can. Atheists and Ex Mormons experience joy all the time, arguably more than the downtrodden, toilet cleaning, mall funding, collective thinking grunts of Mormonism...
Drifting wrote:Nipper, you should listen to subgenius, he has great personal knowledge of pontificating....
subgenius wrote:Drifting wrote:You still don't get it do you...
Kittens can experience joy with or without religion, with or without resignation from Mormonism, with or with a deity belief system.
Maybe you can't because of some mental conditioning, but most people can. Atheists and Ex Mormons experience joy all the time, arguably more than the downtrodden, toilet cleaning, mall funding, collective thinking grunts of Mormonism...
your theory is sound, but it is contrary to the evidence we have at hand - which i have bothered to note previously....whereas you just speculate without foundation.
So, yes Kittens CAN experience joy, i have not denied that...but the facts are clear that this is not occurring now.
Now, if you want to pull a Themis and re-write definitions of words to fit your agenda then so be it, but the plain and simple truth is that an ex-mormon joining a "Mormon Discussions" forum, proclaiming their "leaving" the church, not forfeiting their church membership, and making an effort to be critical of that church is an ex-mormon without closure and without joy being discussed in this context.
Bitterness and the desire for vengeance or retribution clearly speak otherwise and clearly accent the lack of closure and joy.
Clearly you would propose that joy is a legitimate joy when it stems from crass insults and a desire to criticize...as clearly you must be experiencing when you characterize the "thinking grunts"......
Drifting wrote:You seem to be saying that membership of this board is an indicator that you don't have joy in your life. Do you have joy in your life subby old boy?
subgenius wrote:i am saying that membership on this board by an ex-mormon who desires to criticize Mormons while also stating that they have not really forfeited membership in church is an indicator that they do not have the joy in their life as much as joy is being referred to on this thread.