The scriptures speak of two separate times when the Lord would cleanse the earth of wickedness. The first was at the time of Noah (see Genesis 6) and the second will be at the Second Coming. Joseph Smith—Matthew 1:41–43, in the Pearl of Great Price, tells ways those two time periods will be like each other. The biggest difference in the two periods is that the earth was cleansed by water in the days of Noah, and at the Second Coming it will be cleansed by fire. These two events are a type of how we are cleansed by the baptism of water and the baptism of fire—the cleansing of the soul that occurs when we truly receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Sorry Just Moi, I was facetiously replying as would an mopologist. Channeling BC if you will.....
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Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
I think it's important to emphasize that the scientific case against the Flood isn't merely that there's no evidence that it occurred. It's not even just that no plausible scientific explanation can account for the mechanisms behind the flood, the Ark and its requirements, and so forth. What's most damning, or at least equally co-damning, is that the evidence shows that something else, mutually exclusive with the global Flood, really did happen during the time period claimed for the Flood.
It is, if you will, Reality's alibi.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
The scriptures speak of two separate times when the Lord would cleanse the earth of wickedness. The first was at the time of Noah (see Genesis 6) and the second will be at the Second Coming. Joseph Smith—Matthew 1:41–43, in the Pearl of Great Price, tells ways those two time periods will be like each other. The biggest difference in the two periods is that the earth was cleansed by water in the days of Noah, and at the Second Coming it will be cleansed by fire. These two events are a type of how we are cleansed by the baptism of water and the baptism of fire—the cleansing of the soul that occurs when we truly receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Sorry Just Moi, I was facetiously replying as would an mopologist. Channeling BC if you will.....
Oh, I know. I was just being a snot!
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
SteelHead wrote:Sub, They concede nothing and use the argument to show that the flood narrative only works via magic.
to imply, or expect, God to be bound by the laws of nature is rather "uninformed" don't you think? Though your sarcastic use of the term "magic" is intended to diminish, it actually affirms the story and their position. No one i know has ever claimed that the workings of God need be validate by laboratory.
SteelHead wrote:At which point god is a jerk and a joker.
you are entitled to your opinion, but the evidence seems to disagree with you.
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Themis wrote:Subby should just say magic and be done with it. It makes no sense to argue facts when you will just go to magic when the facts get into the way.
Themis wrote:The real problem here in my opinion is the lack of evidence for a global flood
is it your opinion that where there is no evidence one should have no belief...in other words, everything you believe in has evidence, has indisputable proof, that it is "believable"?
Themis wrote: I am glad many Christians don't have this need.
why do you care? what skin is it off your nose?
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schreech wrote:So, the christian god could have just magically killed all the evil people and left the innocents alive rather than drowning everyone and everything except noah's family
obviously you are devoid of any understanding of the flood story - the purpose is not just the "removal of evil people" - even a cursory understanding of the story would reveal why the story has the elements it has...God's actions are quite deliberate.
schreech wrote:OR he could have magically recreated all the animals that died in the flood (much like he apparently created food for them on the ark) instead of forcing his small group of followers to live on an ark with 1000s of animals for 40 days cleaning up after them
again, proof of how ill-informed you are, and thus how invalid your criticism actually is....check the 40 days
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
schreech wrote:OR he could have magically recreated all the animals that died in the flood (much like he apparently created food for them on the ark) instead of forcing his small group of followers to live on an ark with 1000s of animals for 40 days cleaning up after them
again, proof of how ill-informed you are, and thus how invalid your criticism actually is....check the 40 days
Good point. It was actually closer to one year.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
subgenius wrote:is it your opinion that where there is no evidence one should have no belief...in other words, everything you believe in has evidence, has indisputable proof, that it is "believable"?
Well there is more then just lack of evidence, but mountains showing no such event occurred during modern man's roaming the earth(you notice I said during the time of modern man since you don't seem to understand like everyone else that this is what the issue is about). The context I was discussing here is the idea of why God would need to use magic, not to create a global flood, but to hide the evidence and even create mountains of evidence to make it look like no global flood event occurred.
why do you care? what skin is it off your nose?
Why should I not care? Why do you try to get people to believe certain things are true or not true. It's not like I am out protesting or knocking on your door. I used to be as a missionary for the LDS church. My parents believe in a global flood, but I think at this stage of their lives it would be more harmful to their happiness to try and change their beliefs. If you don't want to discuss these issues no one is forcing you to participate in these threads. I do think it is better in the long run if we as a society have more correct understanding of the universe, but I let people believe what ever they want.
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Sub, If being factually wrong about a value disqualifies one from participating in this discourse, you should have bowed out around the time you math failed on the volume calculations.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
