How much faith does God want from us?

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Re: How much faith does God want from us?

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Mktavish wrote:Faith is a powerful TOOL! To be used in our everyday lives. For it to work , it doesn't matter what you have faith in , just that you have it.

I have made that point as well. Faith is what motivates us to act on our convictions, whether good or bad.

The only question in this context is ... Can this tool be used negatively?

I don't know if it is the only question, but certainly faith can be used negatively, depending on what one has faith in.
Believing in god and good things happening is not a bad thing. It would only be bad when directed toward negative outcomes. Or if one is asked to use their power of faith under false pretenses towards an undisclosed means.
But it is still within the faith weilders relm of choice , hence ultimately they bear the responsibility for its outcome.

Substantially agree.
Short awnser is: Nobody makes you have Faith

However, there are fanatics and fundamentalists who try to intimidate us in to having faith, which is almost as bad.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

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Re: How much faith does God want from us?

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Re: How much faith does God want from us?

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son of Ishmael wrote:We have all been told that faith is belief in something that is true but can’t be proven. An example we are given is the “How can you believe that there is an Antarctica if you have never been there? Unless you have been there you have to use faith” But how much faith does God require? Why does he want us to have faith in something that seems to have most of the evidence going against it? Take the Book of Mormon for example. We are told that the reason there is no concrete evidence that proves the book to be true is that God wants us to use our faith. So why does it seem that there so much more evidence against the book being real than for it? Why couldn’t God have set it up so the book was evidence neutral?

If the Book of Mormon did not have any of the contraversaries about steel, horses, wheat, wine, olives, DNA etc it would be more evidence neutral. If archeologists were to find evidence of steel and horses and such, it would not prove the book is true it would just get rid of some of the negatives about it. If there were absolutely no evidence for or against the Book of Mormon, then that would be a good test of faith as well. Why does he stack the deck against it?

As my signature states, why does God give us intellect, reason and common sense and then ask us not to use them when it comes to matters of religion?


He doesn't (if He exists that is).
God gives us intellect, reason and common sense but it is man made religions that ask us not to use them when it comes to matters of religion.
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Re: How much faith does God want from us?

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How much toilet paper does it take [deleted]?

Faith is a mental state like love, passion and desire, it can only be measured, by how far one is willing to stand up for their beliefs physically.

Have you ever seriously thought about the lengths some people go to, to be heard, or to show their commitment?

Is to much Faith a bad thing?
How far are you willing to stand by your beliefs? Name calling? Fists? Tar and Feathers? Stone throwing? Dodging Bullets? How about strapping explosives to your chest? or Hijacking a plane?
and Killing men, women and children? (With the Old Testament God as an example no wonder there are extremists.)

It's not just Muslims, it's Christians too.
it happens in America, England, Ireland its happening in France and the Netherlands.

People needlessly wasting their lives and the lives of others because they trust the voice within, the believe what their religious leaders are telling them.
Extremist leaders that rouse people up to take leap of faith, has led to millions of lemmings, the false notion that everyone else knows what they are doing, so its best to follow the crowd.

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DOUBT IS OF THE DEVIL!?!
I don't think so... I think Faith is of the devil, and DOUBT is from GOD!!!
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It is difficult to understand why courts throughout the world don't accept 'God told me to do it' as a valid defence...
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Drifting wrote:It is difficult to understand why courts throughout the world don't accept 'God told me to do it' as a valid defence...


Actually they do, that is the leniency or mercy, the consideration of mitigation and separation from death penalties.
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Re: How much faith does God want from us?

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PrickKicker wrote:
Drifting wrote:It is difficult to understand why courts throughout the world don't accept 'God told me to do it' as a valid defence...


Actually they do, that is the leniency or mercy, the consideration of mitigation and separation from death penalties.


Well, if the defendant convinces the court that he believes that a deity ordered him to kill someone, he may well be treated differently from (say) a paid contract killer.

The reason for that will usually be that the court believes the defendant to be insane. I'm fine with that.
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That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Re: How much faith does God want from us?

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PrickKicker wrote:DOUBT IS OF THE DEVIL!?!
I don't think so... I think Faith is of the devil, and DOUBT is from GOD!!!

Right on cue are you not?

Isa 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Mat 24:4-5
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
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Re: How much faith does God want from us?

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PrickKicker wrote:How much toilet paper does it take to wipe your Arse?

This comments does fit to the celestial forum.

My picture doesn't: [#img] http://wumocomicstrip.com/img/strip/-WM ... -05-30.gif[#/img]

Not even to the terrestrial, not even to the telestial.
Nowhere.
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Re: How much faith does God want from us?

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Chap wrote:
Well, if the defendant convinces the court that he believes that a deity ordered him to kill someone, he may well be treated differently from (say) a paid contract killer.

The reason for that will usually be that the court believes the defendant to be insane. I'm fine with that.


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subgenius wrote:Right on cue are you not?

Isa 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Mat 24:4-5
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


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I am no Christ.
In fact these days I am Anti,
Until he shows his face, then I will fall down on my knees like everyone else.

Matthew 7:1
Matthew 23:27 This one is particularly apt.

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