Franktalk - what does he believe/not believe...?

[_Franktalk]

I think we said the same thing ... refer to my earlier post just before this one you quoted. I basically said Driftings question of "On what grounds" To your statement that "I believe that the Creator of this universe has given us messages over time." Is a futile attempt at real understanding through presented evidence. But it might be worth the exercise of a chalk board experiment to further investigate the statement and question of it.

I agree.

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[_Drifting]

I believe that the Creator of this universe has given us messages over time.

On what grounds do you hold this belief?

Bump

Second bump.

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[_Drifting]

Bumped to my new thread for this subject viewtopic.php?f=2&t=25816

I've read your new thread.
Didn't like it.

So I would like Franktalk to respond to the question (like he insists I do about my beliefs etc) on this thread specifically produced for Franktalk's answers about his beliefs.

(Good luck with your thread though...)

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[_Drifting]

Any advice you could add? Whats your dislike of it based on?

Too long winded, too complicated, too many 'rules'.
The board is fine the way it is in terms of allowing discussion and debate.
It doesn't need more rules and a scoring system.
My advice would be to post a thread asking the general question of 'How do you know God has given you a message?' and then let it run.
Poster will either be interested in it and contribute or they won't.

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[_MCB]

I believe in a greater reality than what we can perceive with our physical senses.

I believe that there is a purpose to everything.

I believe that the Creator of this universe has given us messages over time.

I believe that there is light and darkness.

But on the evidence against Mormonism and Catholicism , its an unfair comparison given the 2 time scales. Conservatively speaking ... give Mormonism at least 1000 years to move to at least 1/3 the timeline. And I guess well see what is revealed in that amount of time about christianity

FrankTalk has the basics right-- it is the conclusions that are wrong.

If the Creator of the universe has given us messages over time, and our perception of the Creator changes with our reception of those messages, why would the Creator allow a 1800-year black hole in that messaging system? Humanity has made progress through time, and it seems to me that any organization that tosses the traditions (evolved from the messages received) of Catholicism, if it does not live and breathe anti-Catholicism, eventually evolves into something resembling-- Catholicism. In response, Catholicism learns from the successful aspects of those failures. Ana-baptists-- concern for the needs of the laity. Marxists-- social justice. Mormons-- building of community and working together.

Two thousand years, building on the foundation of Judaism makes it much more. That is a lot of learning. Why toss it on a whim?

So it seems to me.

[_Franktalk]

If the Creator of the universe has given us messages over time, and our perception of the Creator changes with our reception of those messages, why would the Creator allow a 1800-year black hole in that messaging system? Humanity has made progress through time, and it seems to me that any organization that tosses the traditions (evolved from the messages received) of Catholicism, if it does not live and breathe anti-Catholicism, eventually evolves into something resembling-- Catholicism. In response, Catholicism learns from the successful aspects of those failures. Ana-baptists-- concern for the needs of the laity. Marxists-- social justice. Mormons-- building of community and working together.

This is an excellent question. Why would a god abandon all those who lived in that 1800 year hole and then unfairly give others additional information?

It is my belief that we stay on this earth through many cycles of life in the flesh. You may call it reincarnation. To me this single belief ties much of scripture together. It is my belief that we must experience many things in the flesh and at some point break out to obtain a path to heaven. Those who embrace this flesh just stay here for as long as they wish. So with this in mind gaps in message mean nothing to the overall plan. To those who obtain the commitment to God with little help are blessed. Some will require a crushing. This is sad but necessary for some to come to God. Some will require even more. But in time all will learn and all will turn to God. I do not know when or even how many ages it will take. I think this current age is going to last around 8000 years. But a new age will follow.